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:pit:s in the comments larping about the dark lord returning and making jokes about “just following orders”

  • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    I've generally found villains in fiction to be more compelling, same with their openly hostile and grim iconography.

    the COBRA and Hydra symbols/logos are tight.

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      if you believe the two hollywood writers on the West Wing Thing, leftish writers know they'll never be able to push explicit or even implicit left ideas as positive so they often sneak them in as the bad guys' motives. If it's true I'm not sure whether it helps or hurts.

      • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        honestly, is fascist iconography necessarily grim? certainly there's the loading of other cultural icons (the christian cross is a medieval torture/execution device, all the nazi obsession with the totenkopf, which was also used in piracy).

        as i understand it, fascism's "true" aesthetic is a pastiche of whatever symbolism one can shoehorn in to give the perception of prestige and strength. skulls, sometimes, but also birds of prey, german fascists with their mystical runes, the italian fascists with their eagles, stick bundles and axes of imperial rome, etc. we may understand fascists to be grim as the standard bearers of vicious reaction and barbarism, but their symbols (rather, the symbols they co-opt) aren't always so.

        what i find forceful about villain aesthetics, particularly the symbols of their organizations, is that the pretense of anything but "Fear Us" is dropped. like mac might say, they are "going for gasps." it's the opposite of the sanitizing/anesthetizing symbolism of imperialism bringing glory and advancement to the world by protecting US from THEM or even the rather pablum messaging of the ISIS flag. villain aesthetics overtly lean into "yes, we are the baddies", which the actual IRL baddies rarely--if ever--do.