• GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Isn't Obama Christian? Cause a prophet making choices is like, the main part of that religion.

    • Sotalsta [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Back then we didn't have adults in the room to ask what effects :jesus-cleanse: had on the dow and gdp.

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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          3 years ago

          In the sense He was a speaker of truth, He was a prophet. However, He is not counted in the list of prophets by us. It's like how you'd call someone the writer of a paper, but probably wouldn't call them a writer if it wasn't their profession or hobby.

              • Wertheimer [any]
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                3 years ago

                All the Catholic resources I’m finding agree that he was a prophet. It’s in the Catechism.

                https://www.loyolapress.com/catholic-resources/scripture-and-tradition/jesus-and-the-new-testament/who-do-you-say-that-i-am-names-for-jesus/jesus-prophet-priest-and-king/

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_office

                783 Jesus Christ is the one whom the Father anointed with the Holy Spirit and established as priest, prophet, and king. The whole People of God participates in these three offices of Christ and bears the responsibilities for mission and service that flow from them.

        • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Thanks for handling that. I was raised an atheist but like read the Bible regarldess

        • Sotalsta [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          I'm not christian, but I'm familiar with the teaching, and I think I can argue against that.

          However the messiah was described before birth, I don't think Jesus fits the description of a prophet. Either in the literal modern sense, or in the way each of them were described in the new testament.
          As far as I'm aware, none of Jesus's miracles tell the future. They heal the sick and raise the dead, etc., but they don't make predictions. I believe there are cases where he says what he and/or God are about to do, but that's not really a prophecy.
          Generally, the way 'the prophets' are described in the stories of Jesus is as a group of elite conservative elders making pronouncements. Jesus's job is to tell them how they are misinterpreting the word of God, and are misleading people.

          If you have a strong opinion on another interpretation, I would be happy to hear it, but I probably will just defer to you and won't debate about it.

          Edit to clarify what I'm saying here:
          In the sense of 'prophet' as fortune teller: Jesus textually said things that later happened as he described. But following the teachings of Jesus is not intended to give christians insight into what will happen in the future.
          In the sense of 'prophet' as having a connection to God, that would certainly describe Jesus, but from the way prophet is often used in the new testament to describe people falsely claiming to have that connection, I think many people would not use that description in that context.

          • Wertheimer [any]
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            3 years ago

            Being a prophet in Judaism and Christianity isn’t about telling the future, it’s about having a message from God.

              • SteamedHamberder [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Rabbi Lord Sacks (often rather CHUD adjacent, but occasionally eloquent) said that the difference between a prophecy and a prediction is that if successful, a prophecy doesn’t come true. That is, the purpose of a prophecy is to provide a threatening condition from God to change human behavior.

              • Wertheimer [any]
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                3 years ago

                Yes, I agree with you. I was just emphasizing that he “fits the description of a prophet” in the original sense of the term as well as in the modern definition.

          • Sotalsta [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            And also, I don't think this has anything to do with the obama quote that started this, but I wanted to defend that "Jesus wasn't a prophet" is a consistent view in christianity.