You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, “Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.” If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it.

Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!

:miyazaki-laugh:

To take things even further I think that the objectification, flanderization, comodification and "othering "of female characters in anime has resulted in it almost exclusively catering incels and otaku that see women (and disturbingly, underage girls) as dolls to fetishise.

Which is frustrating because there is good anime out there that isn't like this, but I can't really say I'm an anime fan without people thinking I'm into moe crap or otakus gatekeeping me because I don't like their moe crap.

I just wanna talk about how cool Full Metal Alchemist is...

  • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    You highlight exactly why I don't like this meme, as I said the two paragraph quote is not enough for the whole nuanced take on the subject.

    Miyazaki is the western anime "mascot" like Kojima and the gaming industry. Both shit on the west many times in the past but critics keep coming back for more as if his criticism of anime invalidates the medium in support of their own favorite western based form of entertainment. Kojima didn't want to make MGS4 but when the game comes out every critic is circle jerking reviews about how great it was etc without being capable of understanding why MGS4 is a nostalgia trip.

    • Awoo [she/her]M
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      3 years ago

      Both Miyazaki and Kojima's critique is also not really totally damning. If it were they would leave the industries. They speak of its ills with extremely harsh critique and displays (Death Stranding) in their art but are also clearly hopeful to hold up that same industry to higher standards. It's a "do better" critique. Two marxists (not really sure I believe miyazaki dropped marxism as it still clearly influences him) at the absolute top of their industries and their political backgrounds are largely ignored in any and all analysis or review of their works.

      For example, Kojima critiques america and imperialism relentlessly but it's pretty clear to me that he adores America and wants to believe it will one day live up to its own myth. He seems to view america as a lie but asks it to fight to achieve that lie for real.

      • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]
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        3 years ago

        Kojima critiques america and imperialism relentlessly but it’s pretty clear to me that he adores America and wants to believe it will one day live up to its own myth

        This is definitely my reading as well. Kojima feels like a utopian at heart, but one who recognizes how far we are from it.