"made them the dominate voice"
bro, tankies made lemmygrad for tankies
[Tankies'] positioning, further to the left than subreddits like r/communism, r/socialism, and r/Anarchism
Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they're even further 'left' than we are lol
However, when it comes to everyday societal challenges that are usually points of interest for the left wing—like policing, climate change, healthcare, housing, and workers’ rights—tankies seem less engaged.
Because we've settled these questions already. Police is a tool of the state, climate change is never going to be fixed under capitalism, healthcare should cover everything and be free for everyone, same for housing, workers' rights should be the basis of the socialist state. Also we don't want to dox ourselves by talking about local issues.
They often opt to use the nomenclature ‘Communist Party of China (CPC)’—Beijing’s preferred language—over the more colloquial ‘CCP’.
I didn't want to get into the language of the article, rather focusing on its shoddy research and understanding of communism, but... colloquial according to whom? The official term is "Beijing's preferred language" and the term you and your pals who don't speak a word of Chinese is better somehow?
Tankies have a tendency towards Stalinism. In our topic analysis, we find that tankies give more prevalence to topics related to Stalin compared to other far-left communities we analyse
Stalin died over half a century ago and he's still making liberals quake in their boots at the mere mention of his name 🫡
For instance, the way tankies discuss Khrushchev’s attempts to reduce Stalin’s influence, or “de-Stalinisation,” suggests a certain fondness for Stalin’s era.
You could literally have figured this out by just talking to a 'tankie'. You did not need gas-guzzling APIs and scripts to learn that.
An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”
Top tier shitpost and this dweeb doesn't even get it lmao, it is completely lost on him.
Our toxicity analysis also indicates that tankies are more likely than other far-left groups to post antisemitic content targeting Jews.
Absolutely no reference or figure forwarded to illustrate that very bold statement.
Tech companies must recognise and respond to the adeptness of groups like tankies in evading moderation efforts. Developing advanced content moderation tools that can detect and mitigate the spread of extremist rhetoric, irrespective of its political orientation, should be a priority. Collaborative endeavours between researchers and tech platforms can lead to the development of more robust and unbiased moderation systems. In this digital age, where platforms remarkably influence political discourse, it is imperative to understand and address all forms of online extremism to ensure a safer digital environment for all.
This is the most chatGPT conclusion of them all. You also haven't proven or even set out to demonstrate that 'tankies' are "adept at evading moderation" whatsoever, and are essentially saying you don't believe in free speech, which is decidedly not very liberal.
That's right bucko, you're a tankie too.
An example comment from tankies on Zelensky: “Putin and our comrades in Ukraine are going to kill all the US financed nazi scum and hopefully hang Zelensky while they’re at it. Let’s go Brandon!”
[Tankies'] positioning, further to the left than subreddits like r/communism, r/socialism, and r/Anarchism
Bruh r/communism is unapologetically gonzaloist, they're even further 'left' than we are lol
The figure doesn't even imply that, that sort of graph has no concept of "intensity" for positioning. The colours being different just means that (assuming it was well done) the red communities are more similar among themselves than the orange communities.
So their "further left" is just either a massive ass-pull or they actually think that their clustering model has an implicit politicalcompass system in the position of plotted clusters.
That's the problem with these machine-learning-based studies, r/communism gets a lot of liberals wandering in because of course it's gonna be their first step when looking up communism on reddit. Since they don't discriminate the dataset in any way, they have all this junk data. Hence r/communism might not appear to be as left as some other subreddits.
I find it fascinating how the Western world defines extremism as straying from its conventional beliefs. It is intriguing to observe that holding views such as homelessness being acceptable or denying individuals' right to healthcare, which align with mainstream ideologies in the West, are not considered extreme. Instead, it is those who advocate for universal healthcare and housing who are deemed extremists by society. 🤡
when i feed the poor, they call me a saint. when i ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist.
Echo chamber? Maybe. Toxic? No, not at all. It's actually very freeing to be able to discuss ML stuff more deeply instead of having the umpteenth lib/ultra/trot coming in trying to debate TANKIE MAN SQUARE ONE BILLION DEATH.
This community has been nothing but supporting to me.
Lemmygrad is hands down one of the most polite and inclusive online communities I've ever seen. I simply can't recall any instance where I disagreed with somebody here and we couldn't resolve it using a constructive and polite discussion. This is frankly unheard of on most social media platforms and vast majority of Lemmy instances.
It's actually kind of too calm for me here since most lib instances defederated from us. Having them chime in also allowed me to keep up with what they believe in currently.
Honestly that's why I war-drive. No more than twice a month, otherwise it runs the risk of making me spiral; but forewarned is fore-armed. Besides, I anticipate a new idiot wave now that Reddit's talking about their IPO again in tandem with selling poster data to Google.
I should do that too. Yogthos is also a legend.
Unfortunately, I don't know lemmy all that well outside of the 'grad. What are some good instances to go on for that sweet, sweet lib cringe?
Honestly, browsing /all is sometimes enough; but as of late, you'd have to skim the trending front-ends of the lib hellholes and nazi bars that already defedded us.
The one that abbreviates to “SJW” and whoever they federate with if you want to make sure you get all the fascists
They even had the audacity to make mods be initially eligible for their IPO
Oh that's why I saw a headline to the tune of "redditors don't want to invest in reddit"
FAQ said the requirements were 200k+ karma or 5000 mod actions to directly receive the group 1 invite from u/reddit (which means you've been around long enough to see the enshittification, are a mod, or are a repost bot)
Since Reddit will know if you received the message... here it is
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I chose grad for my account not only because it's by far the best instance, but also because I have to spend less effort muting shit communities, because they did the labour themselves by de-feding. Very cozy in here. :3
Shhh don't tell them we enjoy them not bothering us more than they like not seeing us once every so often, they might stop doing it
You're not becoming one of those who enjoys huge walls of text, are you?
I bet Marx would have loved huge walls of text. I read him as a lemmy man, while Engels would have been out manning twitter.
I feel like libs get banned the moment I feel I might be able to get through to them.
I disagree, wheb I see them I usually want to see them justify more, because I find it more satisfying for them to dig a hole they cant recover from, but usually what I see happen in the longer threads is they will get close to?the break through then lash put instead
Changing someone is a process. Engage with them and don't lose heart when they turtle down. You've planted the seed of doubt. Often enough it takes hold and grows years later.
This is something these people deeply understand and is exactly why we are so hounded, banned, quarantined, defederated, silenced, strawmanned, ridiculed and described as evil. They want as few people as possible to even come into contact with us, so we don't teach them that there's an alternative to the shitty capitalist system they've set up.
I agree, that is not my argument, I just disagree that at the point that they are banned we are near a break through.
I wish I still thought it was possible to argue people into agreeing with you. 😔
It's not even really a toxic atmosphere for liberals who happen to stray in here. Sure, they'll get dogpiled if they start acting rude, or are clearly arguing in bad faith -- and they quickly find that if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. But generally, the community goes out of its way to explain things even to people who disagree.
I'd like us to stay that way too. Almost all of us grew up with anti-communist indoctrination, and sometimes it just takes a few polite conversations to turn that around, and start them on the path.
Yeah aside from the biweekly struggle session it's (one of) the chillest online community I ever witnessed. Especially since we federated with the hexagons.
A place where ideologically-aligned people can discuss their ideology? Oh no, the horror!
It's funny how liberals are so obsessed with things like "unity despite differences", "marketplace of ideas" and "acceptance", then turn around and label anyone they don't agree with as an "extremist" reinforcing their "hatred of others" through their "echo chambers".
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What this article is referring to as "Marxism/Leninism" is, in fact, Marxism-Leninism, or as I've recently taken to calling it, "Marxism plus Leninism". "Marxism/Leninism" implies either "Marxism" or "Leninism"; however, "Leninism" is is not an ideology unto itself, but rather an extension of Marxism. Many Marxists use this modified version of Marxism every day, without realizing it. Th
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're referring to as theft, is in fact, uBlock Origin, or as I've recently taken to calling it, uBlock Origin plus Advanced Mode. Theft is not an adblocker unto itself, but rather another misrepresentation of a fully functioning adblocker made useful by the uBlock Origin dynamic filters and its vital JS-blocking feature comprising a full modern adblocker as is required for the world wide web of today.
Many web browsers run a modified version of uBlock Origin every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of adblockers which is widely used today is often called theft, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically uBlock Origin, developed by Raymond Hill.
GNU + Marxism is praxis 🗣️🗣️
Marxism/Leninism implies that you divide Marxism by Leninism which what would that even look like? That would be Trotskyism!
Lenin walks around the world.
Mathematicians cannot bar him.
Neither above one nor below zero.
Nor does multiplication scar him.Lenin walks around the world.
An asymptote becomes him.
Marching forever towards zero.
Divide Marx by he till we reach infinity.But that would mean that Trotskyism multiplies by Leninism is Marxism...
Global Network does not understand how fediverse works, the history of Lemmy, nor even the most blatant and obvious puns on one of the largest cities in the Soviet Union. Definitely people who know what they're talking about!
Glad to see some bougie academic reaffirm the fact that our desire to see everyone treated like a human being is an extreme position.
People who said the computer would end up being one of the most useful scientific tools ever invented were (1) right, but (2) also didn't anticipate how whole sectors of western academia would end up just browsing social media, collecting some screenshots, and presenting the whole together with some lazy-ass graph as "research."
Anyone else remember the overwhelming sense of horror and despair when they realized reading their twitter feed had slowly become literally all the research and investigation journalists did anymore?
And now looking back that was so much better than what we're left with these days.
Twittiance (n) the strange feeling of seeing your own shitpost tweet reappearing on your timeline six hours later but as a headline in a tweet from a newspaper.
People who said the computer would end up being one of the most useful scientific tools ever invented were (1) right, but (2) also didn't anticipate how whole sectors of western academia would devolve into just browsing social media and presenting it as "research."
"We have no compassion and expect none in return. When our turn comes, we shall make no excuses for the toxicity."
- Karl marx
You can't deny that we are leaving a lasting impact though, which other communist community can boast to having TWO articles written about them?
Would you mind mesaaging them to me, I think I want to start a list, for a hall of honor
I think this proves we are the best communist comunity, and no other Geometric Ursas can compare
Is it time for a fun page on ProleWiki about this? I'd think maybe!
This means one of 2 things either you are too wholesome and accepting to be toxic... and or Lemmygrad is better at carrying the red banner as we seem to inspire more fear... somehow ... even with your numbers being bigger... so logically you should be the scary ones, you even have bears on your side...
In a different world, I'd suggest it's the political line. I.e. that a dedicated ML space is in some ways a greater threat than a left-unity space. But there are three problems with that idea.
One, hexbear seems to be fairly consistently on the same page as lemmygrad e.g. LGBTQ+ rights, Ukraine, Palestine, and the need to abolish capitalism.
Two, the authors of the paper in question haven't displayed any indication that they understand or could understand the difference.
Three, it's a link aggregator. We've had some successful hauntings but otherwise we aren't much of a threat at all. As said in another comment, we don't even like to discuss 'local' issues to avoid doxing, nevermind organising on here. It shows the liberal mentality, to see the mere existence of contrary views as such a threat. Our simple presence, here, stating that Nazis, genocide, and transphobia are bad is considered to be as extreme as the far right organising in plain sight to run over protesters protesting the things we agreed are bad.
Your thoughts on this make me think they "chose" Lemmygrad simply because they found it first and have done so little research on the topic that they didn't even find out Hexbear exists.
I think it might just be because Hexbear is "difficult to understand". If you pick random high score comments from there without context and show it to a data-driven nerd, I doubt they'd even be able to describe what's going on.
But since federation, at some point any (naïve) analysis of either forum will inevitably include a lot of posts from the other. This could be an actually interesting area for social network research (social dynamics between "native" and "foreign" users in an instance), but since there's no ready-made model for this in scikit-learn the Data-Driven bros will never risk actually doing research.
I blame the pig poop balls scaring off the libs before they learn about our ideology.
Are we in shambles because Alaskaball hid their power level or did Alaskaball hid their power level because we are in shambles
Honestly Lemmygrad has been one of the most open and supportive social media platforms I have ever been on... so unless just being communist makes you toxic... oh I think I found the crux of it
Communism is when no Internet discourse with fascists. I love it so much. It’s so fun seeing the removed of the Internet get turned to dust and not tolerated like they are on Reddit.
Look I had to pull my plug on my "interacting with liberals" yearly endevor early, it was genuinely effecting me poorly. I agree its very nice that here thsre antics are not tolerated here.
UK tech bros trying to get in bed with the elite by licking boot and attacking the left.
Pfft, I bet Lemmygrad hasn't gotten a TERF so mad she went on TV to say she was being bullied. Hexbear stays in the lead!
