Let me preface this by saying that if you paint over screws and other fittings, I hate you. Like gardening, you think DIY should be so easy. But things can never be so straightforward.
What I wanted to do today was take one door (from my bathroom) and swap it with another door (to my kitchen). Why should I want to do such a thing? Well, let this video do the talking for me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6kZU5GJiME.
I too live in bizarre-o-world, where there is a window to my toilet for everyone to stare in at me while I'm busy. I have already addressed this somewhat by installing blinds, although these had to go on the outside of the bathroom for several reasons.
A few days ago I was thinking how nice it would be to get some light from the kitchen into the dining room, as we are always keeping the door open for this reason, and I had the bright idea that I could swap the doors.
Never one to just fuck around, I got my measuring tape and took all my measurements, and fantastic! The doors are an almost perfect fit, with just a little margin of error for fitting it in. That's great, I make a note to get to it when I get free.
Today has come around, and I should be studying for my exams, but I had so much fun gardening the other day, and was so much more productive for it, that I thought if I just get to this quickly, I will have so much energy afterwards to study. That was over two hours ago.
It started off just as well I had expected. I unscrewed the door to the bathroom easily and set it to one side. Perfect. Now to the next one!
When I start on the kitchen door the first thing I notice is that all the screws have been painted over. OK, whatever, how bad can it be. Well, let me tell you, it can be pretty bad. The screws were stuck. I had to use all my might to get each one out. After chipping away at the first, clearing away all the hardened gunk and trying out all different sorts of screwdrivers with no luck, I think to myself that I should just set all this to one side and get someone in to do it for me. I am about to give up, when suddenly, the first screw becomes loose. Hell yeah! I can do this. So I keep going. I go through the same struggle session with each one, and eventually all the screws are out, and once again, the door is set to one side.
Now it's time to install the other door. I bring it in and prop it up on a map so it is the right height. Actually, I prop it up on my big toe, because that's the way I roll. Anyway, I get to work, I start screwing the screws, starting from the top, and it is all going well. Then I get to the bottom, and I notice that actually, all the holes for the screws are set off slightly to one side. No bother, I had already counted some margin for error and in my best estimate, it should still fit. So I continue. The first screw on the bottom goes in fine. So does the second. The first one, I have to screw in at an angle. I begin to question myself at this point, am I doing something stupid? Probably, but if the end result is a door that fits, then it doesn't matter, so I proceed. I get this one most of the way in and figure I should get started on the next, as it is a tight fit. This one is impossible. I have to use all my force and turn it again and again and again, and it wasn't just that the fit was tight, the screws were flatheads as well, so every crank resulted in the screwdriver slipping away. This means I couldn't just keep going, I had to turn once, slip, re-align, turn, slip, re-align, over, and over, and over again. Eventually I got out the power drill, and this slipped away too, so I put that back and just kept going.
Finally, I got them all in. Now for the moment of truth. I close the door.
The door will not close.
I look around and see a little rubber strip poking out. It's probably that. I push it back into place and try again.
The door will not close.
Huh. Weird. I close the door closely and take a look. It is hitting the frame.
That is weird. Maybe I put the door just a millimeter too close to the frame, and I should unscrew all the screws and screw them back in again a little bit further away. That's when I notice the door isn't wide enough.
I take a step back and look at the door. It definitely looks like even if I do get it to close, I will have a huge gaping gap between the door and the frame on the other side. The door is not wide enough. That's weird. I measured the doors. I definitely measured them. So I measure them again. They are not the same.
What's that they say, measure once, cut twice? I could have saved myself a lot of time and energy if I just measured them properly to begin with. You would think I would be good at this sort of thing, my job is literally working with numbers, but nope, I am pretty bad at this kind of thing. Go through my post history and you will see the other day how I realised that I am not 5'7 (171cm), I am 5'5 (165cm), no wait, actually I am 5'7 (169cm), not 5'5 (100cm plus 65 inches).
Anyway, that sucks, but what is there to do but undo everything I have done and put it all back to normal. Fine. I go to unscrew the kitchen (bathroom) door, and it is stuck. Shit. I keep going. The screws become loose, this time easier than last time, and then... they push back in. The threads only go halfway up the screws, so when I get them out part the way, they just push back in again. And it is difficult to get them out. I repeat, they are flatheads, and the screwdriver slips right off. This is where I pull out the pliers. I grip and twist and turn, and I do this again and again, and finally I get the door off. I set it one side.
Now, time to re-install the original kitchen door. This has all the complications of the former bathroom door, and the screws on the bottom are still offset to one side. That's when I realise at least this bit isn't my fault, they genuinely cocked up the first time, that's one reason why it was so difficult to unscrew to begin with (the other reason being the inces of white paint sealing the screws inside). The other issue I'm having is that little flap of rubber keep getting in the way. I am sat on the floor to do the bottom screws and I have to stick up my leg and push the rubber strip to the door with my feet to get it out of the way. I am monke. Eventually it all fits in, and all is well. I go back to the bathroom and get that door back on in a matter of minutes, because that one was installed by normal people (who like to watch people use the toilet).
I should not have done any of this. Like I said, I have exams to get to, but ADD gotta ADD. Wish me luck!
If the hinges are the same style, it might have been easier to remove the hinge pins and leave the hinge plates in the frame. Those hinge plate screws are notorious for hogging out the holes until they don't hold any more, so if you can avoid removing them at all it can make life a little simpler.
Thank you for reading. If you would like to hear more, let me tell you about how I cannot even put up a shelf becuase my walls are made entirely of electrical cables, metal plates, and crumbly plaster. Also now I have holes in my wall and no shelf.
Do you not have a stud finder? Plaster walls do still have studs, you just can't use nails or those drywall anchors.
Send a pic of the holes and we can help you fix them.
After hitting a metal plate an inch in I went out and got one. It says no to detecting metal, but 100% to there being an electrical circuit. Having said that, it also says 60%, 40%, 20% and 0% depending on how I calibrate it, whether I hold my hand to the wall, etc., and it also says at least 20% for almost every other part of the wall. I am told that they are just notoriously unreliable and should just continue drilling holes in my wall until I find a soft spot.
I am pretty sure my wall is brick and plaster, so there is a soft layer of plaster an inch thick and hard brick beneath that. Apparently between the plaster and the brick I also have metal plates.
Try practicing with the stud finder in multiple different areas and on different walls. Reliability issues with them are usually mostly user error, to be honest. Ignore the circuit-detector function and just play around with it for an hour or so.
If you're in a brick building it's possible that exterior walls are all brick, but it's very unlikely that interior walls are brick. Can you show a picture of the holes you put in the wall?
This appears to be some sort of textured panel, not actually plastering. That, I have no idea what to do with and will defer to other DIYers
That looks like cinderblock to me. You need a hammer drill and a masonry bit to drill holes in it and then toggle bolts or snap toggles. I like the snap toggles bc you can remove the bolt if needed without having to replace the anchor but either works.
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Edit: good on you for not being afraid to do stuff yourself. Like anything it is a learning process, and as long as you’re not doing something really dumb like cutting through studs without knowing what you’re doing it’s pretty hard to fuck up in a way that can’t be fixed.
Sure. Make sure to put down paper or drill next to a vacuum hose bc concrete makes a mess
Thanks, and do you have any other tips to avoid drilling into anything sensitive?
Don’t drill into wet walls (anything next to a plumbing fixture in the adjacent room, or the room above it… ie if the 2nd floor has a sink don’t drill into the walls where the water comes in even if it’s on the floor below). Don’t drill immediately above or below any power outlets. If I’m right and it’s cinderblock there won’t be anything running horizontally.
Drill a test hole to see what you’re working with. If it is in fact cinderblock you will drill straight through concrete and then hit a gap.
Finally, if you are in the US, it is unlikely to be cinderblock unless you’re in a basement.
If you don’t want to drill you can also glue light duty shelves (<50 lbs loaded) up with landscape adhesive, they’ll just be a bear to remove
Those things aren’t worth dick in old houses, which if you truly have plaster you are in one. You can actually use a neodymium magnet to look for the nails where they attach the lath to the stud. They sell little magnetic stud finders for that as well. 100% success rate.
Edit: like this https://www.amazon.com/StudPoP-Original-Finder-Finds-fasteners-studs-Unique/dp/B00FRI5TMY/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?crid=YCYCH8OVIA9L&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.RzJolT7rGQuEPHSd2PLWZ-kC2DSXl9KxisKh6LR3SRj3-pjf7Wl-dmgDm6h-5zJE_jEevCiNYF50yV2E9Ua5t8II4KeRGSq52qu_z0edA2InYM-n2lPC5lFK7ITUryKNxmgLQXuDu16cCvtu8JCIJctqpt6tFSz90tFGmzt1SFulIdOjaMC6G3j-l89LVCMrRY9DcbZyl26RqD2hgQmJVw.82BvHzWOySvM-nM4Clt8ntxMr_Afu4tca0EnyLy7q6E&dib_tag=se&keywords=magnetic+stud+finder&qid=1708995014&sprefix=magnetic+stud,aps,101&sr=8-11
Thanks, I will try one of these.
which if you truly have plaster you are in one
What else could it be?
Drywall. You can tell the difference bc drywall is easy to cut and has a gap behind it, whereas plaster is hard as a mfer, cracks, and is backed by wooden lath. Some lazy renovations have drywall over plaster
These things always take longer than you think they will. Houses have mischievous spirits that are held at bay with only the thinnest of blessings. The moment you remove something that’s permanent, 2/3 of the things adjacent will break. Want to install a bidet? Guess what motherfucker, the shutoff valve leaks. Want to replace the valve? Think again bitch, the main shutoff wont seal and it’s cold welded with corrosion
I did this exact project 2 years ago. My motivation was that the very, very old paint (many layers of oil/lead) was peeling off the inside of the bathroom door after decades of heat and moisture. And when you sit on the toilet you face the door and the lighting is of course excellent so the back of the door is very prominent. Also it was impossible to clean because all this lead paint would flake off. I thought, there's lots of doors in here. why not get another door. Maybe a closet door. So I measured every other door and found one which seemed to be the right size.
It was not! It was close. I used a chisel, because I don't have a plane, to scrape the door into the right size. Sort of.
And I had the problem with the hinges being misaligned. Once I got the paint off. Nobody has ever removed a single fixture to paint in the entire history of this place. Every handle, hinge, and plate came with literally 10+ layers of distinct paint.
And I had the loose holes. I made wood filler out of glue and sawdust and filled the holes with dowels/toothpicks. Kind of worked.
And I had the slotted screws. When you say flathead, I think you mean slotted. Flat refers to the profile. Flat is flush to the surface as opposed to a dome shape. Slotted is the shape of the driver that fits it. For the love of fuck buy new screws to finish the job. You want flathead screws, I'm gonna guess #3. Torx, square or Phillips drive in order of how nice they are to use. Take one of the screws you have and go to the store and find something similar. No smaller. Maybe a bit longer/thicker.
I think it's pretty crazy that every door in this unit seems to have been made bespoke especially for the frame it hangs on. They differ in size by 1-3 inches on either dimension. It's nice to think that somebody who knew how to do things cared for it once.
The screwdriver you use on the screw is called a flat-head so I'd also call the screw hole a flat head.
I never knew this is wrong. But then again I've never really had to talk about domed vs flat heads on screws so it never came up.
I am glad I am not alone in my suffering
and I was wondering what the slotted screws were called!
Oh just in case. Make sure your hinges close with your new screws before you install them. Ideally bring the hinge to the store but at least check them when you get home. Ask me how I know.
Whoever decided that adding non frosted windows to bathrooms should be the next trend deserve to be shot. Like I walked inside a bathroom as someone’s house and I see mfs walking and driving like 10 yards away.
that one was installed by normal people (who like to watch people use the toilet)
:sicko emoji here:
Natural lighting in the bathroom is actually good. But people usually install translucent glass + shade to keep it from becoming a peep show.
I imagine they did it like this to get light from the bathroom window into the hallway, but the bathroom window to the outside world is transparant, and the hallways gets plenty of other natural light. I think they just did it so they could sit and watch people poo while they peel an orange.
This is why I haven't replaced my seepy toilet wax plug, because I'm like 90% sure when I get the toilet removed, I won't be able to get it back on
You mean the wax ring around the base? It's generally pretty easy to do if you have the strength to handle the toilet. Is it leaking?
Yeah exactly that. There's brown seepage around the edge of the foot of the toilet every few weeks (ew), so I assume the wax ring is leaking. I'm convinced that the "easy fix" will reveal itself to be anything but when I actually lift the toilet off there, so I'm living in denial
It's fairly common for the wax rings to wear out over the course of years, especially if the bolts on the sides aren't properly tightened. Kind of sounds like maybe there's a tear in the material that holds up most of the time but is maybe starting to fail when there's a lot going through there. All you would really have to do is scrape off the old wax and slap on a new one, the only sorta difficult part is positioning the toilet into the right spot while you're holding onto it because you might smear the new ring and not get a proper seal.
That's helpful, thank you. I think I'm also avoiding the mess lol. I'll make it a goal to get it fixed, let's say, by June
It's fairly low on the totem pole for ick factor imo, you do get a good whiff of methane but I'd consider it on par with old pipes in a kitchen sink, just bring a roll of paper towels.
I tried to flip which side the hinges were on on my fridge once... I relate. I checked everything looked totally symmetrical, and yet one of the 3 bracket was... not at all. So it was totally untenable and I had to put it all back
last summer I replaced my only bathroom's vanity. standard size, new fixtures, not floating or anything crazy. average time was supposed to be 2 hours.
it took me 14 hours + an emergency plumber call to put in 3x new shut off valves. I had nightmares about my house flooding for a week.
I was jacked at the time on house projects, and that day cooled my jets.
I'm split on them
Tommaso Ciampa - 😍🥰
Johnny Gargano - annoying tryhard
I really liked Johnny's work in The Way, it was a fresh change up. Ciampa going from Blackheart to Miz's lacky sucked
I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
