I gotta say the death cult shit on the left is so wildly fucking weird to me. it really is one of those just like entirely sociopathic things where people have just decoupled themselves from empathy so much through frustration and demoralisation they've ironically, which always ends up meaning earnestly but detached and with a thin veneer of dismissal, embraced this idea that horrific judgement day levels of shit is needed on certain countries and large groups (not talking about the bourgeoisie here, but the working masses), millions we all openly agree are shaped and brainwashed by systems outside of their control. do bad people and places cause unimaginable pain? for sure, but to then throw that blind injust dehumanised violence back at the masses that characterises imperialism and capitalism is full of this Christian evangelical smite and divine retribution of those who have sinned beyond salvation and must die to cleanse the world.

I already know all the explanations, 'it's just a meme', 'the imperial core did bad stuff so needs to suffer', 'the west will never embrace socialism unless enforcement via mass violence and destruction of all institutions and infrastructure'. but the thing is like, you read any text by international communists, black radical groups, anti imperialists, they literally all say 'we just want you to stop being assholes so we can be friends who work together', and so it seems to be this self hatred that fuels this than any outside demands, one which just seems really unnecessary and honestly childish especially from people who claim to have a deeper materialist analysis which breaks down why these opinions and actions are so common and systemically enforced.

  • Kanna [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I've been thinking about this today and I feel like ultimately it's just not that serious

    There are a few users here that I've noticed who have some things to work out (to put it mildly), but for most people here saying :xi-plz: / death to the west / x years of humuliation / ect are just just venting and letting off steam. "Death to the west" didn't start in communist forums and it feels like most people here understand the mentality behind saying it. Sometimes after a particularly dismal day in America, asking Xi for a few nukes via emoji scratches that itch of utter hopelessness. That said - the same people who might say that will still go to protests, still do mutual aid, and still try to make any difference. I'm positive nearly everyone here doesn't actually want to be nuked by China or inflict years of suffering on their entire country

    Constant civility in the face of racism, bigotry, and general fascism is fine if that's your thing, but at a certain point I don't care if you ended up on the wrong side of the "capitalism brain washed me" spectrum. My patience runs thin on the bigots who would kill me and sometimes I really just need to say some shit to let some of that sadness and fear go

    edit - With that said it's not fair to call this a wrecker take as some people have

    • Ideology [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      This is pretty much where I'm at. I don't super agree with D2B, I think Hex does a pretty decent job at self-maintenance. But reacting to sincerityposting with "don't take away muh ironyposting! :jokah:" is kind of proving her point for her.

    • OfficialBenGarrison [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      :this:

      I visited Canada last year (Am 'murican) and a lot of the people were really chill. Yeah, I ran into some people's party dipshits but I kept my distance.

      Quebec and the Maritime provinces were really nice. The former had many friendly people and has a respectable track record for environmentalism (sexy hydropower), and the latter seems more interested in just wanting to fish for God's sake.