If seeing the symbol of colonization and genocide destroyed brings you discomfort you need to work on yourself to disassociate Judaism from Israel/Zionism, because that means you subconsciously conflate them and have given into Zionist brainworms
If seeing the symbol of colonization and genocide destroyed brings you discomfort you need to work on yourself to disassociate Judaism from Israel/Zionism, because that means you subconsciously conflate them and have given into Zionist brainworms
No, the issue was clearly expressed to be the burning of the Star of David within the flag. "Zionist brainworms" fuck off.
Otherwise stated: Zionists put a Star of David there to shield themselves from criticism and attack, and you are agreeing with them and their conflation that it is a valid shield. You agree that burning a Zionist flag is anti-Semitic, which means you have buckled to their logic and given in to their narrative
I am filled with joy and hope when I see the Zionist rag in flames. If that makes you instead fearful and sad, that’s a you problem not a me problem because you have let Zionists colonize your mind
No I am not, and I am not agreeing that burning the Zionist flag is antisemitic. What I'm saying is that the imagery of burning the Star of David itself on an emote being uncomfortable to some Jewish users does not mean they have "Zionist brainworms." You can't completely disassociate when it's the exact same symbol.
Burning a Zionist flag isn’t anti-Semitic. The image of burning a Zionist flag is anti-semitic.
You have to realize how twisted and incoherent your logic is, doing mental gymnastics to defend an indefensible mod decision made on a whim.
This is a burning cross, a Christian symbol. Why does Israel receive special protections for their symbols that nobody else does? Because there is a partial acceptance of Zionist exceptionalism.
Your dishonest summary is definitely twisted. I never said the image was antisemitic, I said shaming Jewish users for being uncomfortable with the image of the burning of the Star of David and saying they have "Zionist brainworms" is wrong since it's the same exact symbol regardless of context, and again I don't think it's wrong to burn the flag of Israel as protest against the Zionist regime. The mod decision was supported by comments by several Jewish users expressing their discomfort with the image being made into an emote, so hardly made "on a whim."
Only person being dishonest and squirrellly here is you. “It’s not antisemitic but we won’t do it because Jews feel uncomfortable” nonsense doesn’t make any sense. It’s either anti-Semitic or not. If it is not anti-Semitic certain people arbitrarily feeling “uncomfortable” doesn’t matter and shouldn’t even be discussed, it’s not relevant.
Jews at Harvard are made uncomfortable by pro-Palestine rallies and “to the river from the sea”. Should they be stopped? It’s the same logic in microcosm. This entire argument is literally verbatim the “to the river from the sea” discourse regurgitated.
It’s hilarious that libs on hexbear begin reproducing Zionist narratives all on their own.
Not reproducing Zionist narratives, and the Harvard comparison is so weasley; you are so dishonest it's absurd. The whole point of the original discussion was you shaming Jewish users for being uncomfortable with the imagery, now it doesn't matter and shouldn't be discussed. Fine, I guess I'm talking to a different person.
The burning Zionist flag should be added alongside the burning Russian flag and American flag and UK flag. As long as it isn’t there, the hypocrisy of mods should be mentioned and any BS Zionist-parallel arguments about “feelings” should be ignored
The Harvard example is perfectly apt. You are attempting to use “Jews feel uncomfortable” to shut down speech and retreat from principles, to enforce a double standard and exception for Israel that nobody else on Earth gets. You are implying it is anti-Semitic but when pressed dodge and just say it’s just a bad vibe or something. If it’s just a bad vibe and not actually anti-Semitic, then just add it and be done because a lot of users here actually think it’s a very good vibe (which is why the subject keeps coming up again, because it’s an open wound of hypocrisy that flares up whenever Israel does something particularly heinous)
It’s hilarious that again, you are recreating Zionist methods of word games and “Jewish feelings” to prop up your bullshit special exemptions. It’s amazing how you don’t see how you are just Alan Dershowitz right now
You are so unbelievably dishonest accusing me of being identical to Alan Dershowitz. I never tried to shut down speech, nor campaign for the alterations made to the burning flag emote. The whole thing started because you said Jewish people who felt uncomfortable with seeing the Star of David burned (whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol) had “Zionist brainworms.” I clarified multiple times that I don’t think it’s necessarily antisemitic to burn the flag of Israel, my problem was only on this “Zionist brainworms” point. The Harvard example is not “perfectly apt,” it shows you can’t even keep track of what you’re talking about, as if I was campaigning that something should be removed because Jewish people were upset rather than arguing if this particular issue constituted “Zionist brainworms” and deserved condescension. YOU brought it up to be discussed, and then got mad at me for replying on that point since it “doesn’t matter.”
With regards to the Christian example, you have to be kidding. You must know the history of Jewish repression and the relation of religion to ethnicity is completely different.
To actually make an argument on the side of the censor (which I wasn’t before), you yourself said the Star of David was a shield and that Israel does not represent the Jewish people. Isn’t it more powerful to tear the symbol from their hands, as has been done? It’s been replaced with something else but it still represents Israel and everyone understands this.
(whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol)
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag. We aren’t discussing any other versions of burning the Star of David. A burning Star of David in other contexts is certainly cause for alarm, but not in this one because it’s a symbol of anti-Zionism and anti-Israel, not anti-Judaism. That one sentence literally destroys any point you think you had, exposing you for rhetorical tricks and Zionist pseud arguments conflating the two. We circle back around to you implicitly accepting the Zionist framing that Judaism = Israel.
I'm Muslim and Muslims are currently under more threat and genocidal pressure than Jews or Christians are, with millions being killed or displaced in recent decades. I would be fine with a burning Turkish flag emoji despite the Muslim symbolism because I don't believe Turkey = Islam, because I haven't internalized Turkish narratives. That's the difference
You're just continuing after I pointed out multiple terrible/dishonest arguments you made?
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag.
Oh my god do you not get it? I know, I'm saying it is still the Star of David. Which is it? Is it that the Zionist state lays the guise of representing Judaism as a shield and adopts symbols representing religion/culture as a farce, or is it that this is completely disconnected? If it's the former, why do you have an issue with replacing the symbol they're appropriating/desecrating in the image, and so not allowing it to be spit on further? No, it's not antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag in resistance to Zionist colonialism, but it's also not "Zionist brainworms" for a Jewish person to be uncomfortable with the burning of the Star of David even within the Israeli flag.
What I’m saying is that the imagery of burning the Star of David itself on an emote being uncomfortable to some Jewish users does not mean they have “Zionist brainworms.”
Jewish comrades also burn the Zionist rag
If seeing the symbol of colonization and genocide destroyed brings you discomfort you need to work on yourself to disassociate Judaism from Israel/Zionism, because that means you subconsciously conflate them and have given into Zionist brainworms
No, the issue was clearly expressed to be the burning of the Star of David within the flag. "Zionist brainworms" fuck off.
Otherwise stated: Zionists put a Star of David there to shield themselves from criticism and attack, and you are agreeing with them and their conflation that it is a valid shield. You agree that burning a Zionist flag is anti-Semitic, which means you have buckled to their logic and given in to their narrative
I am filled with joy and hope when I see the Zionist rag in flames. If that makes you instead fearful and sad, that’s a you problem not a me problem because you have let Zionists colonize your mind
No I am not, and I am not agreeing that burning the Zionist flag is antisemitic. What I'm saying is that the imagery of burning the Star of David itself on an emote being uncomfortable to some Jewish users does not mean they have "Zionist brainworms." You can't completely disassociate when it's the exact same symbol.
You have to realize how twisted and incoherent your logic is, doing mental gymnastics to defend an indefensible mod decision made on a whim.
This is a burning cross, a Christian symbol. Why does Israel receive special protections for their symbols that nobody else does? Because there is a partial acceptance of Zionist exceptionalism.
Your dishonest summary is definitely twisted. I never said the image was antisemitic, I said shaming Jewish users for being uncomfortable with the image of the burning of the Star of David and saying they have "Zionist brainworms" is wrong since it's the same exact symbol regardless of context, and again I don't think it's wrong to burn the flag of Israel as protest against the Zionist regime. The mod decision was supported by comments by several Jewish users expressing their discomfort with the image being made into an emote, so hardly made "on a whim."
Only person being dishonest and squirrellly here is you. “It’s not antisemitic but we won’t do it because Jews feel uncomfortable” nonsense doesn’t make any sense. It’s either anti-Semitic or not. If it is not anti-Semitic certain people arbitrarily feeling “uncomfortable” doesn’t matter and shouldn’t even be discussed, it’s not relevant.
Jews at Harvard are made uncomfortable by pro-Palestine rallies and “to the river from the sea”. Should they be stopped? It’s the same logic in microcosm. This entire argument is literally verbatim the “to the river from the sea” discourse regurgitated.
It’s hilarious that libs on hexbear begin reproducing Zionist narratives all on their own.
Not reproducing Zionist narratives, and the Harvard comparison is so weasley; you are so dishonest it's absurd. The whole point of the original discussion was you shaming Jewish users for being uncomfortable with the imagery, now it doesn't matter and shouldn't be discussed. Fine, I guess I'm talking to a different person.
The burning Zionist flag should be added alongside the burning Russian flag and American flag and UK flag. As long as it isn’t there, the hypocrisy of mods should be mentioned and any BS Zionist-parallel arguments about “feelings” should be ignored
The Harvard example is perfectly apt. You are attempting to use “Jews feel uncomfortable” to shut down speech and retreat from principles, to enforce a double standard and exception for Israel that nobody else on Earth gets. You are implying it is anti-Semitic but when pressed dodge and just say it’s just a bad vibe or something. If it’s just a bad vibe and not actually anti-Semitic, then just add it and be done because a lot of users here actually think it’s a very good vibe (which is why the subject keeps coming up again, because it’s an open wound of hypocrisy that flares up whenever Israel does something particularly heinous)
It’s hilarious that again, you are recreating Zionist methods of word games and “Jewish feelings” to prop up your bullshit special exemptions. It’s amazing how you don’t see how you are just Alan Dershowitz right now
You are so unbelievably dishonest accusing me of being identical to Alan Dershowitz. I never tried to shut down speech, nor campaign for the alterations made to the burning flag emote. The whole thing started because you said Jewish people who felt uncomfortable with seeing the Star of David burned (whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol) had “Zionist brainworms.” I clarified multiple times that I don’t think it’s necessarily antisemitic to burn the flag of Israel, my problem was only on this “Zionist brainworms” point. The Harvard example is not “perfectly apt,” it shows you can’t even keep track of what you’re talking about, as if I was campaigning that something should be removed because Jewish people were upset rather than arguing if this particular issue constituted “Zionist brainworms” and deserved condescension. YOU brought it up to be discussed, and then got mad at me for replying on that point since it “doesn’t matter.”
With regards to the Christian example, you have to be kidding. You must know the history of Jewish repression and the relation of religion to ethnicity is completely different.
To actually make an argument on the side of the censor (which I wasn’t before), you yourself said the Star of David was a shield and that Israel does not represent the Jewish people. Isn’t it more powerful to tear the symbol from their hands, as has been done? It’s been replaced with something else but it still represents Israel and everyone understands this.
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag. We aren’t discussing any other versions of burning the Star of David. A burning Star of David in other contexts is certainly cause for alarm, but not in this one because it’s a symbol of anti-Zionism and anti-Israel, not anti-Judaism. That one sentence literally destroys any point you think you had, exposing you for rhetorical tricks and Zionist pseud arguments conflating the two. We circle back around to you implicitly accepting the Zionist framing that Judaism = Israel.
I'm Muslim and Muslims are currently under more threat and genocidal pressure than Jews or Christians are, with millions being killed or displaced in recent decades. I would be fine with a burning Turkish flag emoji despite the Muslim symbolism because I don't believe Turkey = Islam, because I haven't internalized Turkish narratives. That's the difference
You're just continuing after I pointed out multiple terrible/dishonest arguments you made?
Oh my god do you not get it? I know, I'm saying it is still the Star of David. Which is it? Is it that the Zionist state lays the guise of representing Judaism as a shield and adopts symbols representing religion/culture as a farce, or is it that this is completely disconnected? If it's the former, why do you have an issue with replacing the symbol they're appropriating/desecrating in the image, and so not allowing it to be spit on further? No, it's not antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag in resistance to Zionist colonialism, but it's also not "Zionist brainworms" for a Jewish person to be uncomfortable with the burning of the Star of David even within the Israeli flag.
Disengage
It does though.