You are so unbelievably dishonest accusing me of being identical to Alan Dershowitz. I never tried to shut down speech, nor campaign for the alterations made to the burning flag emote. The whole thing started because you said Jewish people who felt uncomfortable with seeing the Star of David burned (whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol) had “Zionist brainworms.” I clarified multiple times that I don’t think it’s necessarily antisemitic to burn the flag of Israel, my problem was only on this “Zionist brainworms” point. The Harvard example is not “perfectly apt,” it shows you can’t even keep track of what you’re talking about, as if I was campaigning that something should be removed because Jewish people were upset rather than arguing if this particular issue constituted “Zionist brainworms” and deserved condescension. YOU brought it up to be discussed, and then got mad at me for replying on that point since it “doesn’t matter.”
With regards to the Christian example, you have to be kidding. You must know the history of Jewish repression and the relation of religion to ethnicity is completely different.
To actually make an argument on the side of the censor (which I wasn’t before), you yourself said the Star of David was a shield and that Israel does not represent the Jewish people. Isn’t it more powerful to tear the symbol from their hands, as has been done? It’s been replaced with something else but it still represents Israel and everyone understands this.
(whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol)
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag. We aren’t discussing any other versions of burning the Star of David. A burning Star of David in other contexts is certainly cause for alarm, but not in this one because it’s a symbol of anti-Zionism and anti-Israel, not anti-Judaism. That one sentence literally destroys any point you think you had, exposing you for rhetorical tricks and Zionist pseud arguments conflating the two. We circle back around to you implicitly accepting the Zionist framing that Judaism = Israel.
I'm Muslim and Muslims are currently under more threat and genocidal pressure than Jews or Christians are, with millions being killed or displaced in recent decades. I would be fine with a burning Turkish flag emoji despite the Muslim symbolism because I don't believe Turkey = Islam, because I haven't internalized Turkish narratives. That's the difference
You're just continuing after I pointed out multiple terrible/dishonest arguments you made?
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag.
Oh my god do you not get it? I know, I'm saying it is still the Star of David. Which is it? Is it that the Zionist state lays the guise of representing Judaism as a shield and adopts symbols representing religion/culture as a farce, or is it that this is completely disconnected? If it's the former, why do you have an issue with replacing the symbol they're appropriating/desecrating in the image, and so not allowing it to be spit on further? No, it's not antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag in resistance to Zionist colonialism, but it's also not "Zionist brainworms" for a Jewish person to be uncomfortable with the burning of the Star of David even within the Israeli flag.
You are so unbelievably dishonest accusing me of being identical to Alan Dershowitz. I never tried to shut down speech, nor campaign for the alterations made to the burning flag emote. The whole thing started because you said Jewish people who felt uncomfortable with seeing the Star of David burned (whether on the Israeli flag or not, it’s the same symbol) had “Zionist brainworms.” I clarified multiple times that I don’t think it’s necessarily antisemitic to burn the flag of Israel, my problem was only on this “Zionist brainworms” point. The Harvard example is not “perfectly apt,” it shows you can’t even keep track of what you’re talking about, as if I was campaigning that something should be removed because Jewish people were upset rather than arguing if this particular issue constituted “Zionist brainworms” and deserved condescension. YOU brought it up to be discussed, and then got mad at me for replying on that point since it “doesn’t matter.”
With regards to the Christian example, you have to be kidding. You must know the history of Jewish repression and the relation of religion to ethnicity is completely different.
To actually make an argument on the side of the censor (which I wasn’t before), you yourself said the Star of David was a shield and that Israel does not represent the Jewish people. Isn’t it more powerful to tear the symbol from their hands, as has been done? It’s been replaced with something else but it still represents Israel and everyone understands this.
Here’s where your whole shit falls apart and your blatant charlatanism is laid outright. We are talking specifically and only about burning the Israeli flag. We aren’t discussing any other versions of burning the Star of David. A burning Star of David in other contexts is certainly cause for alarm, but not in this one because it’s a symbol of anti-Zionism and anti-Israel, not anti-Judaism. That one sentence literally destroys any point you think you had, exposing you for rhetorical tricks and Zionist pseud arguments conflating the two. We circle back around to you implicitly accepting the Zionist framing that Judaism = Israel.
I'm Muslim and Muslims are currently under more threat and genocidal pressure than Jews or Christians are, with millions being killed or displaced in recent decades. I would be fine with a burning Turkish flag emoji despite the Muslim symbolism because I don't believe Turkey = Islam, because I haven't internalized Turkish narratives. That's the difference
You're just continuing after I pointed out multiple terrible/dishonest arguments you made?
Oh my god do you not get it? I know, I'm saying it is still the Star of David. Which is it? Is it that the Zionist state lays the guise of representing Judaism as a shield and adopts symbols representing religion/culture as a farce, or is it that this is completely disconnected? If it's the former, why do you have an issue with replacing the symbol they're appropriating/desecrating in the image, and so not allowing it to be spit on further? No, it's not antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag in resistance to Zionist colonialism, but it's also not "Zionist brainworms" for a Jewish person to be uncomfortable with the burning of the Star of David even within the Israeli flag.
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