Normally I don't interact with reddit but I saw this and found it interesting. This post is dripping with the alienation women feel from patriarchal norms and it feels like women in general have a bit of radical frustration brewing.
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Yeah, it's not just politics men will lie about.
My sister told stories of guys who lied about lots of things, pretending to be something they thought she'd want in a man. They'd lie about how much money they made, what their jobs were, all kinds of stuff. Why would a guy willing to lie about his job and his income find a pang of conscience and be honest about his political beliefs?
One of our sons is gay, and our daughter discovered that referring to "my brother and his boyfriend" (now "husband," thank you 2015 Supreme Court) had a way of exposing cracks in men's façades. They'd pretend to be progressive - after all, if they really followed they conservative ideals they promoted they wouldn't want sex at all until marriage - but their faces would change a little when they found she had a gay brother with a boyfriend.
Askmen's response
Posted THIS in r/askmen. I’ve noticed the disparities in responses in womens vs mens and it will hopefully be interesting.
Adding user responses below:
Easier that way. When men are together and no women are around you probably wouldn't believe the things that come out of the mouthes of your brother, father, lover, son, etc. I work with all women and am one of 5 guys, which 0 are on my shift with me. Anytime politics or religion or anything comes up like it does all day every day I just shut my mouth and agree with whatever they say or pretend to be aloof and like they are teaching me something. Much easier that way because being factually correct and being "right" are two totally different things and sorry ladies but we all know which one of those you strive to be.
For the pussy
To get laid
I DID IT ALL FOR THE NOOKIE
Sometimes it's just about getting laid
I keep reading "I will hide my support of parties that support various forms of misogyny until I get the thing I want from the people affected by that misogyny" and Jesus fuck you could consider maybe, just fucking maybe, if you have to be dishonest to get what you want maybe you're on the wrong damn side. Somehow being a lying selfish asshole has become virtue signaling to other men which is exactly how societies fall apart or go to civil war. It's not because you have a dick. It's because you're an asshole that you have to lie to get pussy.
Men don't, Republicans do.
You know why.
Because their opinions if expressed would make a vagina dry up faster than the Sahara Desert.
To get laid.
We're willing to listen to your delusional bs, inflated sense of self-importance and narcissism for the brief access to your clam.
You're welcome.
There’s only one reason and it’s pretty obvious.
This sounds exclusive to people with conservative political views. In which case they are aware women won't like their actual opinions, so they decieve someone into sleeping with them.
If you are terrified of being deceived, simply make an excessive amount of abortion jokes. Liberal guys most likely won't care but you will push a conservatives buttons and they will show some slight resistance, probably.
Because they're trying to have sex, not debate how ridiculous the Democratic party has become.
To get laid. I won't tell women around I think immigrants can GTFO because women are sensitive and that's irrilevant for my goal.
Because our views on politics aren't that important, but some people think they are. Just because I think something today doesn't mean I'm willing to die for it or even that I'll have the same idea tomorrow.
Frankly my view on politics is so unimportant to me that I don't really defend it. But if I share it, people have instantly branded me a far- right bigot and then there's no convincing them otherwise.
I just would want something that dumb to come between a potentially great relationship.
We do it to get laid.
Because the competition is lying as well. Gotta keep up.
Cause they trying to get that punani
Is this a real question?? Like really??
Because he knows no woman would be willing to.sleep with him if they know how he really feels
I don't lie about anything. I am also not very successful with pursuing women. Anecdotal evidence but take it for what you will
So this is just like, the normal dominant abuse culture that nearly veryone is affected by, huh
How do we fix cis men?
fixing the underlying systems that foment toxic masculinity.
as a small thing, for example, normalizing platonic same-sex affection for straight cis men. straight cis men are cruelly deprived of any sort of physical or emotional intimacy other than with a potential sexual partner, and it really does a number on people without them realizing it. where straight cis girls will hug each other and cuddle and tell each other they love them, guys don't feel comfortable--or aren't allowed to feel comfortable--doing the same thing. and this becomes just one of the many things that motivate (but do not excuse!) inappropriate behavior in straight cis men.
Fun fact: ~200 years ago men in western countries would sit in each other laps, hold hands while walking together, and write incredibly affectionate letters to each other.
:yea:
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not your job. it's their job to fix themselves. if they're humble enough to ask for help, and you have the time and energy to spare, I suppose that's ok, but you really must not expect yourself to be the atlas holding up the world for the chuds
I dont think it is my job, I think it is the job of wider society. And like, to a lesser extent, how do we fight against misogyny in community spaces?
I'm just saying if your efforts to reeducate a misogynist fall flat, it's not your fault, it's theirs. They fundamentally have to be receptive for reeducation to work, but if they're not receptive, they are a danger to women, and ought to be excluded from the community space. It's their job to fix themselves, and part of that means being receptive to new information.
I kinda agree and disagree. Like it's a very special (read: unlikely) situation if a guy is somehow converted to having good takes through raw effort. But if we don't have a culture exemplifying the healthy alternative then nothing will fundamentally change because the chud option will be the only option presented.
While I have :spray-bottle: @kristina in the past for hornyposting about her bf, I think there is something to being a living example of a good relationship so others have something to work toward and not the volcel void (the despairing part, not the :volcel-judge: part) I've seen pretty frequently among alienated folks.
:panting:
:07: acknowledging your contribution to society just this once.
The difference with @kristina’s occasional horny post is that it’s not directed at anyone here. It’s like the difference between someone riffing on the sex they had last night as a bit vs hitting on you. Sex pests will absolutely try to blur that line though, which makes it tricky
But also these kinds of behaviors present themselves as mass pathologies because they have structural causes. Don't try to fix individual men (except maybe if they're super hot?). Instead, understand fighting patriarchy as part of the communist cause.
agreed
a vasectomyBased
Gun
my liege you dropped this! 👑
I think it's transphobic to try and exclude trans men from this tbh.
Trans men can take part in misogyny sure, it just seems like they're more aware of it than cis men IME
In my experience trans men are often more aware of it. Some of my trans masc friends have talked with me about they can struggle with this though as in some cases misogyny can feel gender affirming. I unfortunately understand that as someone who tried to overcompensate when I was a young teenager before I realized I was a girl.
Masculinity is difficult to construct in a healthy way because of how much the patriarchy has warped it. Full support to everyone doing the work of building new notions of what it means to be an empathetic and healthy guy.