And let’s give cops money to do it!

Edit: this post has nothing to do with “revolution” or adventurism. The libs like to point the finger at replublicans and say “they won’t let us do background checks!” As if that will stop any of this

  • kristina [she/her]
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    there are countries with high gun counts but dont have many issues like this. its because they have less of a nazi problem. that is the problem: its the nazis. not the guns. :shrug-outta-hecks:

    also gotta point out that a lot of these shooters are very young and very online. so its also a convergence of nazism in online spaces. we gotta look to how china deradicalized various heavily armed extremists for a solution to this problem, imo. theyre the only government that has done an actionable solution that didnt involve incredible violence

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      That's just not true. No country has anywhere near the amount of guns the USA has

      Top 10 Countries with Highest Gun Ownership (Civilian guns owned per 100 people):

      • United States - 120.5
      • Falkland Islands - 62.1
      • Yemen - 52.8
      • New Caledonia - 42.5
      • Serbia - 39.1
      • Montenegro - 39.1
      • Uruguay - 34.7
      • Canada - 34.7
      • Cyprus - 34
      • Finland - 32.4

      Literally more guns than people in the USA, and twice as much as the next country, a D more guns per capita than active warzones. That's straight up unsustainable for any form of stable society full stop.

      • kristina [she/her]
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        Yeah and you think liberals will do an effective gun reduction campaign that takes guns from nazis? No, no they wont. If there is truly a relationship for mass shootings, then Serbia should have somewhere around 78% less mass shootings, right? USA has 198 this year but afaik Serbia hasn't had any this year.

        The problem is nazis. All these dudes have far-right nationalist agendas.

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          Serbia had 3.23 firearm related deaths per 100 000 people, the USA had 12.21 firearm related deaths per 100 000 people. In terms of total gun violence, that example seems to track pretty closely with the amount of guns.

          Idk, I just find it completely incomprehensible that the USA has more gun related deaths per capita than where I live right now, a country which has a reputation for a lot of violent crime.

          Pretty much every AES state still standing has strict gun control. Fidel Castro tried to give guns to civilian groups as self defence but quickly backtracked after civilian shootings. You now have to get a type of license to own a firearm, depending on your intended use for it. And this is the most lax AES state on gun control. China has extremely strict gun control. So does Vietnam, the DPRK and Laos. Bolivia enacted some gun control in 2013. Venezuela even stopped allowing civilians to obtain more guns after colour revolution attempts. I genuinely can't think of an AES state today that does not have some form of gun control.

          China's solution to extremism is re education and reintegration into society using state power. If you don't trust the liberals to take guns, how can you trust them to re educate neo Nazis?

          • kristina [she/her]
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            its pretty easy to join the militia (re: if youre a communist) in china and they give you guns in the militia. same with cuba. 'gun control' in socialist states means 'guns for socialists'. i fully support gun control if it means only socialists get them.

            but gun control in the usa means only psychopathic mass murderers in the military and police and fascists in national guards get them, while socialists get none

          • Foolio [any]
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            The US has a lot of violent crime, it's just highly stratified. If you're white and don't live in an inner city or an isolated rural area, gun violence is rare. If you live in Chicago or Philadelphia or many other places, gun violence is as common as El Salvador for similar reasons (low grade civil war stoked by US imperial meddling).

            The big spectacle of these mass shootings is another example of Americans acting like they are special because of the media yapping. Brasil regularly has mass shootings and the police send actual like militarized squads into favelas to attack gangs. But yes, America is the "only country where this happens" and the solution is clearly some lib flsvor-of-the-month campaign 🙄

            The other thing is that these kind of large scale, spectacle shootings were almost unheard of until Columbine and the media circus that came with. Yeah, kids always got in gang beefs or fights over kid shit and some brought guns to school to flex, but Americans owned guns and had public schools for many years without these large scale nihilistic attacks. Something else changes.

        • HauntedBySpectacle [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          Do you think American liberals would do an effective deradicalization program in the style of Chinese anti-terrorism policy? No fucking way, that would never even come close to happening, and if it did, it would be the exact same scenario of the state enforcing the law on the left and POC instead of reactionaries you envision with gun control, but even worse. I agree with you that the problem isn't only the number of guns and the laws, it's also the absurd number of insane, violent reactionaries in this country. I agree that implementing gun control in the US would be nearly impossible and also affect the left and POC more than white reactionaries. But if that's the case, don't we have to admit that there really is "No way to prevent this, says only nation where this regularly happens," until a communist revolution happens? True it may be, that is damn far away, I don't know how you tell that to people whose children are gunned down that the only solution is decades away at best.

          • kristina [she/her]
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            Yeah and you think liberals will do an effective gun reduction campaign that takes guns from nazis? No, no they wont.

            Gun control wont fix it because the liberals are never gonna implement it effectively. The high amount of fascists will just swap to other means even if there are limits because they are dedicated mass killers.

            • HauntedBySpectacle [he/him, comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              I never said it would, I don't believe it would. I'm just expressing that the left probably needs a more proactive message on guns than just "nothing will work, so nothing can be done until the revolution comes and you have to risk even more gun violence but by the state instead of spree shootings"