• EllenKelly [comrade/them]
    hexbear
    49
    4 months ago

    they'd just say of course, and they're a minority anyway, but they're freedom fighters

  • sir_this_is_a_wendys [he/him]
    hexbear
    48
    4 months ago

    I did this 2 years ago, they usually don't know who they are or say it's Putler propaganda. Libs will never engage in good faith. Most of them aren't even capable of it.

  • happybadger [he/him]
    hexbear
    44
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    "maybe-later-kiddo 100% hitler is the only way we can beat Russians and their 101% hitler."

    edit: Kinda like Godzilla basically. You need a kaiju to fight a kaiju.

  • NewLeaf [he/him]
    hexbear
    28
    4 months ago

    They're just as ideologically inconsistent as the chuds. There is no position they can't wriggle out of, and the whatab*utism/hypocrisy angle is just as effective as it is on conservatives.

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
    hexbear
    17
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    There is a very easy answer to this though. If I was a lib, I would say "Well Azov didn't attack Russia and kill their civilians." There was no big, flashy, inciting incident that triggered the Ukraine invasion, to see any nuance in it you already need to be aware of NATO imperialism. Hamas also explicitly seeks the destruction of the Zionist entity which (from what I know) cannot be said about Azov and Russia.

    Condemning Hamas but not caring about Azov is not being inconsistent, both make sense if you look at the events in complete isolation. If you believe Ukraine and Russia just spawned into existence in February 2022 and the bigger country attacked the smaller one with no political context, or if you think Israel & Palestine peacefully coexisted until some crazy Muslims decided to massacre Israelis one day because Allah told them to.

    There's also the fact that Hamas is the elected government of Palestine, while Azov is "just" a part of the Ukrainian military. You can talk about how deeply entrenched Nazi ideology within the Ukrainian government is a driving factor in keeping the war going, but Azov themselves aren't a major player in the war like Hamas is.

    tl;dr I don't think this is a very good gotcha and I wouldn't try to use it to own the libs with facts & logic.

  • @420stalin69
    hexbear
    16
    4 months ago

    Actually it’s an ancient Norse symbol