I got banned from /c/news by some anonymous coward for reporting a Z weirdo reactionary who was cynically coopting anti-imperialist language. You can find the details in my post history.
The admins here can't tell actual anti-imperialism from right-wing trolls who know just enough leftist rhetoric to get by because they haven't actually read Settlers.
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I'm willing to give the Z crowd a little leeway given that the facts are:
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Donbas were getting bombed for 8 years.
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Ukraine's government banned the left parties and consolidated the media to prevent opposition to the war and anything that might end it.
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Terror campaigns across the entire country.
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The only way this war ends because of the above is Russia taking the territory that it can hold and then stopping.
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US and nato are the cause of it all in the first place, and the real problem.
Like sure, Putin isn't going to lead us to communism, but it's pretty clear this war only ends one way which is how people are falling into the hole and supporting them.
Yeah absolutely, the current Ukrainian gov is a NATO puppet intent on provoking and prolonging this war for as long as possible, I don't dispute that. I'm just saying as leftists we don't need to actually pick sides in a proxy war between two decaying right-wing petrostates
It's tough and I'm not 100% sure how much is actually supporting Russia (other than just to end the war) vs just doing it for propaganda. Sometimes it's hard to tell with people, I've seen some that I know are capable of good analysis take up positions I genuinely know they don't believe and I think they do it as part of deliberately pulling at the contradictions.
Personally I want the war over as soon as possible and can see no other route to that than Russia winning and some realpolitik capitulation by the west. Kissinger's solution.
If it's an inter imperialist proxy war sholdn't people be wishing for the defeat of their own imperial block. So in this case the vast majority of this site being Westerners and even more so an americans or NATO member citizens would along these lines be taking the side of the defeat of NATO, US and Ukraine
Now you went from "you shouldn't pick sides" to "it's legit to pick a side but criticize it and don't buy into all its bullshit and propaganda". And in my view 98% of the people in this community or in larger leftist spaces that do the former also do the latter and don't operate on delusions of "Putin is gonna bring back the ussr and the Russian army are epic anti imperialist fighters" .In fact the vast majority of the time this accusation is leveled against people is to discredit the very fact that "they have taken a side pragmaticaly"
Either way that group of leftists that support Russia just to support Russia in this community, let alone in the general anglosphere internet, is IMO insignificant. Even more so against the amount of that get falsely accused of doing so just because they have the "take a side" position you said was acceptable and nuanced. So your struggle session initiative here seems to be what's unneeded and to no avail.
Also your second paragraph you edited in is completely off. By this logic as a radical socialist you shouldnt (or it's not needed) have a take or an analysis or "take a side" regarding the vast majority of conflicts and things happening world wide . Let alone for this historically important and singularly dominating thing that has monopolized and polarized political and news discussion for months, that even inside left spaces saw huge shifts and realignments regarding foreign policy views and analysis.
No you should have a take and you should be posting about it in the niche socialist posting forum and if it's picking a side pragmatically then so what? If you don't want this then take down your post rn as well which is basically doing the same thing
in quite a funny turn of events attempts to sanction russia have not only failed but made it so Saudi Arabia and other countries no longer trust the dollar
and to be clear I don't particularly care about who wins the war but this is bad for the American empire and that is cool and good
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I'm actually relieved to hear there's nazis our governments aren't funding, arming, training, supplying, or otherwise supporting
Not yet anyway; That happens in 20 years when the blowback of arming the Ukrainian nazis hits
Dmitry Utkin, founder of the Wagner Group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin
I read the thread, and you got owned; just apologise to the mods and move on. This is petty, and doesn't solve anything.
Edit: and apologise to Zposter too.
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This thread is petty I'll give you that but I'm not getting cilivity'd into apologizing to a reactionary for not taking their bait
I'm not getting cilivity’d into apologizing to a reactionary for not taking their bait
You did take the bait, and that's why you were banned. But how were they being reactionary? They just pointed out a criticism of the way Western Leftists discuss the validity of non-western msm sources. Judging by your reaction, it seems as though their criticism may be valid.
If you think that was a good-faith criticism worth engaging with then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in
Nooooooooo Russia is based anti imperialism nooooooo Putin will bring back the USSR noooo
There isn't more than 1000 people in the entire anglo internet that believe that Putin will bring back the USSR so what actual more numerous group are you Strawmaning here? People that take a side against their own imperial bloc (us/west/NATO) and wish for the most immediate end to the war by Ukraine surrendering and negotiating?
There isn’t more than 1000 people in the entire anglo internet that believe that Putin will bring back the USSR so what actual more numerous group are you Strawmaning here?
Obviously I'm strawmanning those 1000 or so people on the anglo internet lmao. Did I hit a nerve?
No? It's just worthless to pretend it's a bigger problem than it actually is. Especially when this kind of Strawmaning you just wrote is used to attack 100 times more leftists than that as Putin loving tankies just cause they don't support NATO or ukraine
Nothing on this site has any impact on the real world. Me shitting on some losers is as effective as what the losers themselves are saying. As in, not at all.
You are shitting on no one cause there simply isn't a single person reading this threads that your dunk applies to and there is probably not a single digit number of them in this site in general.
Ur doin a heckin chauvanism right now, comrade. You need to self-crit and be better
I don't know what to say about this post besides that its the same thing liberals post to ''prove'' that we should obliterate russia and that you just seem to be making up a straw guy to get mad at because i swear to marx i have yet to see this ''z weirdo'' calling wagner anti-imperialist or that ''putin will revive the Soviet Union'' or saying anything near the ridiculously deranged stuff you accuse them of saying.
I'm kind of surprised @Z_Poster365 hasn't been banned tbh.
They're very clearly @ZZ_SloppyTop's new account.
OP fucked the link, he got involved with this comment here: https://hexbear.net/post/197669/comment/2488044
The image linked on the comment is the Garfield you are not immune to propaganda meme
https://hexbear.net/post/197669/comment/2488044
Right here is where I got involved, the context button should take you up further
Edit: my bad, fixed the link
