way to come in and try to speak over a trans person as a cis person about their experience wrt transphobia lol
I'm not speaking over anyone's experience. She said she was weary of interacting with the community due what they see from the outside, I said I can't speak to what a transperson will experience within the community, only that some portion appears worse than they are due to how old the game and community is.
The jokes are reactionary and so is the community , being gamers, that’s why they’re popular. As in many other cases, you start to push back against this and often times they’ll double down on it rather than learn
I'm not suggesting anyone give the benefit of the doubt to gamers throwing transphobic shit around in 2022 after so much public discussion and visibility.
Like if you see a community generating that stuff in 2022, they're making a conscious effort to be virulently hateful.
Tbh It feels like you’re overly giving the benefit of the doubt to the 2011 jokes based on when you personally didn’t know much about trans people. Obviously there’s been a push in 2022 for people to know, but transphobia is transphobia, racism is racism.
The issue I took with your post is trying to divide reactionary jokes and ideology into “good” or “bad” categories, where one is simply a mistake and one is only bad if the person perpetrating it is really truly vile. Bc most of the ways that reactionary ideology spreads is giving a pass to the former and the latter takes advantage of that. And I don’t think any marginalized person on the ground feels any better about a racist, trans-, or homophobic joke made at their expense just bc the person who said it just didn’t know any better
In the same way I find the “trans people wouldn’t be invented for years” joke in bad taste bc trans people have been fighting the public perception that they’re some new fad despite all evidence to the contrary. Those kinds of sentiments, intentionally or not, help spread misinformation that sticks in peoples heads about marginalized groups
The issue I took with your post is trying to divide reactionary jokes and ideology into “good” or “bad” categories, where one is simply a mistake and one is only bad if the person perpetrating it is really truly vile.
Fair. I should have articulated how predictive the same behaviors are in 2011 vs 2022 of how hostile the community is towards transpeople without coming off as excusing the behavior itself.
In the same way I find the “trans people wouldn’t be invented for years” joke in bad taste bc trans people have been fighting the public perception that they’re some new fad despite all evidence to the contrary
Apologies.
I was mocking that the average person didn't know anything about transpeople rather than implying that transpeople are actually new, it's easy to forget there are people who actually believe the second.
You’re fine. I didn’t mean to be super harsh I’ve just known a lot of people to hide behind that rhetoric and I do think it probably contributes more to perpetuating reaction than even more overt stuff bc it gets a pass. I guess where Im coming from is they don’t need us to run defense for them, the criticism is more important in my view but I can understand that it can be taken far at sometimes by libs abusing idpol
I'm not speaking over anyone's experience. She said she was weary of interacting with the community due what they see from the outside, I said I can't speak to what a transperson will experience within the community, only that some portion appears worse than they are due to how old the game and community is.
I'm not suggesting anyone give the benefit of the doubt to gamers throwing transphobic shit around in 2022 after so much public discussion and visibility.
Like if you see a community generating that stuff in 2022, they're making a conscious effort to be virulently hateful.
Tbh It feels like you’re overly giving the benefit of the doubt to the 2011 jokes based on when you personally didn’t know much about trans people. Obviously there’s been a push in 2022 for people to know, but transphobia is transphobia, racism is racism.
The issue I took with your post is trying to divide reactionary jokes and ideology into “good” or “bad” categories, where one is simply a mistake and one is only bad if the person perpetrating it is really truly vile. Bc most of the ways that reactionary ideology spreads is giving a pass to the former and the latter takes advantage of that. And I don’t think any marginalized person on the ground feels any better about a racist, trans-, or homophobic joke made at their expense just bc the person who said it just didn’t know any better
In the same way I find the “trans people wouldn’t be invented for years” joke in bad taste bc trans people have been fighting the public perception that they’re some new fad despite all evidence to the contrary. Those kinds of sentiments, intentionally or not, help spread misinformation that sticks in peoples heads about marginalized groupsFair. I should have articulated how predictive the same behaviors are in 2011 vs 2022 of how hostile the community is towards transpeople without coming off as excusing the behavior itself.
Apologies.
I was mocking that the average person didn't know anything about transpeople rather than implying that transpeople are actually new, it's easy to forget there are people who actually believe the second.
You’re fine. I didn’t mean to be super harsh I’ve just known a lot of people to hide behind that rhetoric and I do think it probably contributes more to perpetuating reaction than even more overt stuff bc it gets a pass. I guess where Im coming from is they don’t need us to run defense for them, the criticism is more important in my view but I can understand that it can be taken far at sometimes by libs abusing idpol