Doing something against nazis works better then doing nothing and saying nothing works :surprised-pika:
I like that they acknowledge that by actually moderating their community they leave the door open for more marginalized groups to come in and be a part of the community. There's a reason trans voices seem more common in leftist spaces in general. Transphobic jokes in the Dark Souls community surrounding Gwyndolin still crop up and continues to push me away from engaging the general community.
Transphobic jokes in the Dark Souls community surrounding Gwyndolin still crop up and continues to push me away from engaging the general community.
The game is from 2011, transpeople wouldn't be invented for like half a decade.
While transphobes will certainly express hate via "jokes" that don't actually contain any joke in 2022, earlier ones were made from a place of ignorance rather than hate, and stick around due to a lack of introspection.
I guess what I'm saying is the community is somewhat less transphobic than the number of slurs they use would suggest.
I guess what I’m saying is the community is somewhat less transphobic than the number of slurs they use would suggest.
:doubt:
Not really against you there, but I've heard the "the slurs being flung around don't actually involve hate suggested by the slurs" claims before. On 4chan, mostly, and the commonly used homophobic slurs there, as well as SomethingAwful.
SomethingAwful really cleaned up its act, dropped said slurs, became banhappy about anyone wanting to keep using them, and a lot of LGBT people felt a lot more welcome there, but 4chan decided to take off the mask and put on the armband instead.
On 4chan, mostly
OK, but they say that entirely in bad faith to justify doing more transphobia. That's no different than declaring themselves feminists or center-left.
As a cis, I don't have a very accurate idea of what a transperson will experience in the DS community, but I can verify I and multiple other cis people basically not understanding that trans is a thing in the early 2010s or that certain terms were derogatory until someone pulled them aside and explained.
At least some portion of the apparent transphobia was due to ignorance rather than expressing hate using "jokes" to dodge criticism.
The game is from 2011, transpeople wouldn’t be invented for like half a decade.
Cringeignorance not hate
This is a tired excuse that’s been used to justify racism for decades.
The jokes are reactionary and so is the community , being gamers, that’s why they’re popular. As in many other cases, you start to push back against this and often times they’ll double down on it rather than learn. So I don’t necessarily see people throwing around transphobic shit as ‘ignorant people who just need to be taken aside and explained why what they’re saying is bad’ as much as reactionaries engaging in reactionary behavior.
you can do that and maybe a select few will do better but most will just be like “lol just a joke bro” especially when the larger community around them supports that language.
Regardless they’re perpetuating negative stereotypes and marginalization of trans people whether they realize it or not. When some white dude from the south says heritage not hate it’s the same kind of attempt at distancing themselves from the actual harm of their reactionary mindset.
Also way to come in and try to speak over a trans person as a cis person about their experience wrt transphobia lol
way to come in and try to speak over a trans person as a cis person about their experience wrt transphobia lol
I'm not speaking over anyone's experience. She said she was weary of interacting with the community due what they see from the outside, I said I can't speak to what a transperson will experience within the community, only that some portion appears worse than they are due to how old the game and community is.
The jokes are reactionary and so is the community , being gamers, that’s why they’re popular. As in many other cases, you start to push back against this and often times they’ll double down on it rather than learn
I'm not suggesting anyone give the benefit of the doubt to gamers throwing transphobic shit around in 2022 after so much public discussion and visibility.
Like if you see a community generating that stuff in 2022, they're making a conscious effort to be virulently hateful.
Tbh It feels like you’re overly giving the benefit of the doubt to the 2011 jokes based on when you personally didn’t know much about trans people. Obviously there’s been a push in 2022 for people to know, but transphobia is transphobia, racism is racism.
The issue I took with your post is trying to divide reactionary jokes and ideology into “good” or “bad” categories, where one is simply a mistake and one is only bad if the person perpetrating it is really truly vile. Bc most of the ways that reactionary ideology spreads is giving a pass to the former and the latter takes advantage of that. And I don’t think any marginalized person on the ground feels any better about a racist, trans-, or homophobic joke made at their expense just bc the person who said it just didn’t know any better
In the same way I find the “trans people wouldn’t be invented for years” joke in bad taste bc trans people have been fighting the public perception that they’re some new fad despite all evidence to the contrary. Those kinds of sentiments, intentionally or not, help spread misinformation that sticks in peoples heads about marginalized groupsThe issue I took with your post is trying to divide reactionary jokes and ideology into “good” or “bad” categories, where one is simply a mistake and one is only bad if the person perpetrating it is really truly vile.
Fair. I should have articulated how predictive the same behaviors are in 2011 vs 2022 of how hostile the community is towards transpeople without coming off as excusing the behavior itself.
In the same way I find the “trans people wouldn’t be invented for years” joke in bad taste bc trans people have been fighting the public perception that they’re some new fad despite all evidence to the contrary
Apologies.
I was mocking that the average person didn't know anything about transpeople rather than implying that transpeople are actually new, it's easy to forget there are people who actually believe the second.
You’re fine. I didn’t mean to be super harsh I’ve just known a lot of people to hide behind that rhetoric and I do think it probably contributes more to perpetuating reaction than even more overt stuff bc it gets a pass. I guess where Im coming from is they don’t need us to run defense for them, the criticism is more important in my view but I can understand that it can be taken far at sometimes by libs abusing idpol
when you have a no-holds-barred, open and very lenient moderation policy is you get a lot of people pushed out of your community; it just happens silently.
What's this? Mods who understand that there's more to "freedom of speech" than just letting the conversation be dominated by bigotry?
"Le mods are le bad" cliches on :reddit-logo: are the same kind of social poison that "le government is le bad" is, and both of them come to very similar conclusions to their respective areas when applied as ideology.
People really cherrypick things that reddit's mods get up to on order to come to that conclusion. By far the best subs are the ones with the most ruthless moderation - like how AskScience will completely nuke anything off-topic.
And then of course there's this place, with our mods upholding TransComrade69 thought and making one of the best forums on the net.
I was talking about ancaps and :libertarian-approaching: there because they do say "government bad" and then crave corporate police states.
don't want to talk over (though i kinda am with interjecting anyways), but i think this is aimed more at ancap shit? they specified reddit, and ancaps are notorious for harping on about government (unit of regulation) comparative to actual, non-capitalist anarchists (esp the ones that are here) are more so critical of the state (unit of force)? direct democratic/horizontal governance is still technically a government, just one that is very decentralized.
might be wrong, if it is in fact a potshot then :cringe:
I think it was targeted at ancaps, but I think you already have to be anti-sectarian to get there. I was making a little comment to dis-aggregate it in the minds of people who might go to anti-anarchist places.
"Banning nazis dont work it'll just embolden them" is 60% propagated by the nazis themselves, 30% by naive libs, and 10% by doomer leftists.
I've met them all way too many times, offline as well. And they bullshit enough that too many people believe it.
Remember "don't feed the trolls" and "greater internet fuckwad theory" and how both were used to lubricate the slippy-slides into fascist ideology back before /pol/ decided it no longer needed the "ironic" mask for fascism? I sure do. :doomer:
greater internet fuckwad theory
Jesus wept, it's been years since I've heard that phrase. Never even connected to the possibility that it could be used to excuse to deluge of Nazi internet culture, but it seems obvious in hindsight.
Almost every time I had it barked at me in years past it was because I called out some bigotry. "Surely that fine gentleman is an upstanding citizen IRL and this is just the internet where he totally just plays a nazi for giggles! Why u mad? Kek" :so-true:
I was a Cassandra back then and called it out early but it didn't do any good. :doomer:
“Surely that fine gentleman is an upstanding citizen IRL and this is just the internet where he totally just plays a nazi for giggles! Why u mad? Kek”
This does have root in the long-standing liberal canard of "everyone is secretly a little racist against something". Liberal scratching and all that.
Yeah it turns out putting them on national tv for 6 years emboldened them a whole lot more than the preceding decades of internet bans
Doing something against nazis works better then doing nothing and saying nothing works
I mean honestly who's going to complain about it, the nazis? Yeah, I'm not entirely sure I'll be bothered by it.
And yes, it's 1984; in fact it's so 1984 it's 2084. It's ultra-far-left fascist authoritarian Marxist-Leninist-Maoism.
And the nazis can cry about it all they want, just not in the caves of Qud discord channel, lol.
I mean honestly who’s going to complain about it, the nazis?
You'd be unsurprised how many enlightened centrists are constantly going "b-b-b-b-but censorship BAD!" when you tell them that fascists will literally make entire websites dedicated to harrassing queer people. They'll stick to their guns and act like that's just your own personal problem and not a web admin's problem.
These evil dictators have taken away the fascists’ right to own newspapers!
Some pop-nihilists, including on Hexbear, contend that any attempt to ban or deplatform fascists is useless and pointless because supposedly they'll just regroup somewhere else and literally nothing would supposedly change, the implication being "do nothing, lol" is the smartest and most enlightened move.
Which is totally why Milo Yiannopulos is thriving and just as loud and influential as he was before Twitter banned him.
sarcasm meters break and catch fire nearby
Last October, YouTuber SsethTzeentach reviewed Freehold Games' sci-fi roguelike simulation game Caves of Qud, calling the early access title "a beautiful, wonderful, and janky mess of a game" which he had already spent more than 200 hours playing.
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While the bulk of the video's nearly 27-minute running time is clearly glowing in its assessment of the game, there's a 10-second aside about the game's Discord community banning Sseth for suggesting a sexist and homophobic gameplay mechanic and other disruptive posting. That bit ends with a challenge to the audience to do a Caves of Qud Discord ban speedrun, promising, "Beat my record and I'll buy you a pack of tendies (6 pc.)."
:so-true: Epic humer lel
The video quickly received millions of views (nearly three million as of this writing), and the impact that 10-second challenge had on the game's Discord was immediate and pronounced.
:gamer-gulag:
Whenever I click on a video game-related video I'm expecting to it to be one of these guys and it's a relief when they aren't
I feel rather guilty about previously finding SsethTzeentach videos funny, and only stopped when the last one I watched was blatantly stanning for nazis. :desolate:
I do. Here is someone that is also cooler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41v3L0zCkNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgmTsa3rFU0
It's so hard to pick, but gamer fash dweebs are certainly in the running for the most annoying and shitty type of rightwing online personality
I remember a clip of some British gamer dude with an angry ginger cartoon avatar that would just start talking about Replacement Theory in the middle of some dumb nerd shit
Great stuff for the dumb kids watching to marinate their brains in
Some of the richest and most influential Youtubers of all time are full blown fascists and get their riches and social capital from Epic G*mer idiots. :heated-gamer-moment:
It's all ironic and just a prank bro don't feed the trolls u mad are you triggered can't you take a joke touch grass I am actually nonpolitical why are you bringing your political narrative and agenda here :brainworms:
Maxor is cool I wonder who this sseth guy in the description of his newest video is? Oh...oh. :agony-consuming:
That is indeed :sus-soviet: but so far Max0r's work is a lot less horrible. I don't like the link association but I can't do anything about that.
that's not 'link association', those are people who he's hired for voices in the video from what i can tell
The actual content of the Max0r videos hasn't been nearly as bad as far as I can tell but noted.
Is this the game fascists complain about not being able to join the genocidal faction?
Among many others, yes.
Fucking Wolfenstein had today's nazis crying about how the nazis (and the Klan) weren't playable and were being unfairly targeted. :fash-bash: :no-fash:
qud qud qud! not got much to say about this (other than yeah, it's good to moderate your discussion boards, as it turns out) but gotta provide my uncritical support for any and all qudposting
Also, fuck discord. Uphold owning a matrix server and not being accountable to fash filing false reports.
I’ve been filling real reports about a fash server for months and Discord does nothing.
The Virgin username/password repeater vs. The Chad password manager user
I never understood how password managers make things safer. Doesn't the manager then become a major security vulnerability if it ever gets compromised?
Well yes, which is why using a local one is better than using a SASS one. Keepass's encrypted databases are not only behind the security of your home network, but can even be locked such that you need a physical security key to unlock them (not that most people really need that).
That said, the primary security improvement that comes from them is password generators. You don't have to know what any of your passwords are, you can make them 64 characters long at no cost to yourself (essentially making short passwords worthless by comparison), and these passwords can be made up entirely of random characters, basically rendering all of the most common cracking/brute force methods useless. Having a memorizable password is an inherent risk that most people allow themselves to get into the habit of doing because they don't see themselves as targets.
Yes, there's Keepass programs for all OSs and all of them can open the same database files with passwords due to being written based on the same standards. All you have to do is copy the database file after making changes.
Qud is such a good game, like it is a bit rough to get into if you are not used to the old games it is inspired by but it is like the cleanest of all the proper rogue-likes i've played, only suggestion for people starting is that if you are starting to learn maybe don't go permadeath if you mind losing time and progress, it is fun and i play generally on permadeath but it really can just destroy your enjoyment to lose the first character you've sinked some hours into and made into the midgame because you just got wrecked by the rng spawning something you didn't know was really dangerous near a place you thought was a "safe" area but you should undestand that the characters are kinda disposable and you can always just make another character and play different way maybe make your character a freak with a lot of arms no one is judging you go wild
espolon is too expensive now but lanazul blanco is pretty darn good for $20. not big on the lunazul reposado, espolon has it beat handily there, but the blanco has a surprisingly smooth "prickly desert plant struggling to hang onto its precious moisture in a hostile climate through millions of years of evolution" flavor that i can't help but love, especially for a couple hamiltons.
shit i was headed to the megathread but i took a left instead of a right
Ah, okay. Thanks for the advice, anyway. Personally, I've settled on El Mayor Blanco myself.
El Mayor Blanco
Oh heck yeah, I don't think I've seen that around here but I'll keep an eye out. Is that asymmetrical bottle I'm seeing online what it comes in now or what it use to come in?
Both are sold today, going by my own locale. I think it corresponds to region but don't quote me on that.
