One of the things that has occurred to me recently; I think the reason that Americans are so zealous about WWII is because it was the last time they were the defacto good guys
Every war since, on some level, you can get most hogs to admit the US was at least somewhat in the wrong
US wasn't good guys in WW2. I cannot stress this enough. This is a liberal myth and a liberal understanding of history that US leftists shed far too late in their development due to unexamined national chauvinism and/or a naive "let me just have this one thing" type need to believe their rotten country was good even once.
Consider:
1: Spend the entire 1920s-1930s ignoring Hitler's rise, only ever going so far to criticize the NSDAP for the "S" part of their name, which was always bullshit anyway.
America's entire role in WW2 was opportunistic from beginning to end, and were it not for the failure of the business plot, and the attacks on Pearl Harbor. America would have entered the war as an Axis power.
All true; I will say in my defense, I meant this more in the sense of "the US was actually fighting the correct enemy" and less about the build up (thought that should merit more serious consideration). I guess that does betray some worms I still have
As an aside, I didn't know about point 9, that's...dark. Do you happen to have anything else on it?
Won't stop them from acting like they killed 18 million Nazis and saved all of Europe and Asia by themselves (when they bother to acknowledge non European involvement)
One of the things that has occurred to me recently; I think the reason that Americans are so zealous about WWII is because it was the last time they were the defacto good guys
Every war since, on some level, you can get most hogs to admit the US was at least somewhat in the wrong
US wasn't good guys in WW2. I cannot stress this enough. This is a liberal myth and a liberal understanding of history that US leftists shed far too late in their development due to unexamined national chauvinism and/or a naive "let me just have this one thing" type need to believe their rotten country was good even once.
Consider:
1: Spend the entire 1920s-1930s ignoring Hitler's rise, only ever going so far to criticize the NSDAP for the "S" part of their name, which was always bullshit anyway.
2: talking good about Hitler in Newspapers and Radio, downplaying his antisemitism, up-playing his "cleverness" and anti-communist bonafides
3: letting US industrialists (IBM, Ford, Coca Cola, and many more) make money in Nazi Germany. IBM in particular built the entire logistical punch card network for the Nazis that was used to carry out the censuses leading up to the holocaust, so that Jews, Roma, LGBT, Communists, etc. were significantly easier to round up, and even trace to other countries as they fled. The US industrialists practically subsidized the rise of Nazi Germany by giving them the tools they needed to carry out the holocaust, whether it was weapons, vehicles, punch card computers, whatever.
4: Allowing an official state delegation of German Nazis to visit New York and even to carry out a massive rally in Madison Square Garden with their US fascist admirers.
5: Opportunistically entering the war late after making a lot of money from both sides
6: Immediately planning to use the war as a way to build a post-war anti-communist hegemony in Europe (Marshall Plan, NATO).
7: Doing everything in their power to minimize their own casualties and maximize soviet casualties
8: Developing and using the atomic bomb to kill, maim, and poison hundreds of thousands of civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not as a way to defeat the Japanese, but as a way to simultaneously steal credit from the USSR and intimidate the USSR into submission to the post war US-led order.
9: Paying reparations to German industrialists who lost their "private property" (Jewish slave factories) in the allied bombing campaigns
10: Pardoning both Japanese and German war criminals and absorbing them into post-war institutions such as NATO, the EU, the CIA, and the UN, and using them for anti-communist purposes.
America's entire role in WW2 was opportunistic from beginning to end, and were it not for the failure of the business plot, and the attacks on Pearl Harbor. America would have entered the war as an Axis power.
All true; I will say in my defense, I meant this more in the sense of "the US was actually fighting the correct enemy" and less about the build up (thought that should merit more serious consideration). I guess that does betray some worms I still have
As an aside, I didn't know about point 9, that's...dark. Do you happen to have anything else on it?
It is June 6th and :smedly-exhausted: saved the world from fascism.
when they eventually bothered to show up anyway
Well yes
Won't stop them from acting like they killed 18 million Nazis and saved all of Europe and Asia by themselves (when they bother to acknowledge non European involvement)
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