Get them to play Half-earth. It's kinda simplistic but I think it's really good at conveying that feeling of revolutionary optimism without capitalist brainworms.
lmao no it's not. It's set up to fail you if you don't do exactly what the authors think is right. I was doing just fine then the "Earth Liberation Front" showed up and started doing a shit ton of terrorist attacks and I don't even know why.
It's extremely dismissive of nuclear, going as far as including multiple proposed technologies to research but having the research hard-coded to fail every time. And existing nuclear technology is treated as way worse for the ecosystem than it actually is.
And of course it pushes veganism as the only right answer. I don't think vegetarian was even an option either.
If anything, the game showed me that we'd still be doomed even after a global revolution because some idiots will sabotage everything if their pet issues are ignored or even just not given priority.
lmao no it’s not. It’s set up to fail you if you don’t do exactly what the authors think is right. I was doing just fine then the “Earth Liberation Front” showed up and started doing a shit ton of terrorist attacks and I don’t even know why.
it's cause you sided with the accelerationist while still having increasing emissions or temperature. The ELF guy tells you he doesn't like the accelerationist as an ally because he thinks the industry is polluting. Either end the accelerationist alliance or reduce emissions more and they will go away. They aren't really a big deal anyway, just force through your policy and don't worry about a few terrorist attacks. If you improve things they slow down and go away.
I also had nuclear make up about 30-40% of the electric grid in my victory playthrough and I only had one meltdown. Didn't seem that unfair to me. The techs like nuclear fusion have a 1% chance to succeed which I interpret as "hey it's a bad and insanely risky idea to bet on technology that doesn't exist yet to solve a problem happening RIGHT NOW".
Also you definitely can go vegetarian and not vegan that's how I won the game. I don't think I even got rid of factory farming lol, I just reduced the animal calorie demand a lot via the animal liberation policies. Animal agriculture is completely unsustainable irl anyway so people are going to have to accept that there will be much less meat in their diets in the future even if they adopt a special diet.
it’s cause you sided with the accelerationist while still having increasing emissions or temperature.
I don't even know what the accelerationist is supposed to be. Accelerationism makes no sense after a revolution. I sided with the authoritarians and did the most sensible things I could within the bounds of the shitty "political power" system. Emissions and temperature were both going down.
The ELF guy tells you he doesn’t like the accelerationist as an ally because he thinks the industry is polluting.
Which is incredibly dumb. Industry isn't inherently polluting, it's when that industry uses fossil fuels and generally operates with disregard for the environment and ecology in favor of profit.
just force through your policy and don’t worry about a few terrorist attacks
Ahh yes, very realistic. Who cares about people getting killed? Especially when siding with the authoritarians, I should at least have a way to crack down on them until they're defeated.
The techs like nuclear fusion have a 1% chance to succeed
No they don't. They say they do, but they're literally hard coded to never succeed.
it’s a bad and insanely risky idea to bet on technology that doesn’t exist yet to solve a problem happening RIGHT NOW
It's not like research into nuclear fusion takes away from anything else. We have perfectly functional fission technology that doesn't really need researchers working on it. And nuclear physicists can't exactly pick up and go work in another field. And I think some of the other non-nuclear stuff I saw doesn't exist yet either. But even if that's the case, just don't present that as an option.
Also you definitely can go vegetarian and not vegan that’s how I won the game. I don’t think I even got rid of factory farming lol, I just reduced the animal calorie demand a lot via the animal liberation policies.
That doesn't sound vegetarian, it sounds like you just reduced meat consumption.
Animal agriculture is completely unsustainable irl anyway
No, it's not. Capitalists' way of handling it is unsustainable, because capitalism is unsustainable. Like you said we will have to reduce consumption, but "unsustainable" would mean we have to cut out consumption entirely.
I've gone strong on nuclear every single game with little issue. The decision to dangle "free energy" techs before you and then deny them is, I think, a really powerful rhetorical device. The game is saying to not depend on silver bullet solutions that are perpetually 30 years in the future, and instead implement the best available means right now.
On the vegan thing, I've never not done it in my games because its such an obvious (to me) necessity. If we want to restore wild habbitatas and reverse extinction we simply cannot rely on animal calories to help feed ~10 billion people. And that's completely ignoring the moral dimension of the matter.
That said, if you start the lab meat in the first year, then speed it up by 2 in the second planning session, it will be available in the 3rd. This is one of those really easy gets which can allow you to go, like, 50-50 on lab + free range and get fairly strong eco gains. It's also perfectly feasible to go vegetarian mandate and leave it at that. But again, why?
Get them to play Half-earth. It's kinda simplistic but I think it's really good at conveying that feeling of revolutionary optimism without capitalist brainworms.
lmao no it's not. It's set up to fail you if you don't do exactly what the authors think is right. I was doing just fine then the "Earth Liberation Front" showed up and started doing a shit ton of terrorist attacks and I don't even know why.
It's extremely dismissive of nuclear, going as far as including multiple proposed technologies to research but having the research hard-coded to fail every time. And existing nuclear technology is treated as way worse for the ecosystem than it actually is.
And of course it pushes veganism as the only right answer. I don't think vegetarian was even an option either.
If anything, the game showed me that we'd still be doomed even after a global revolution because some idiots will sabotage everything if their pet issues are ignored or even just not given priority.
it's cause you sided with the accelerationist while still having increasing emissions or temperature. The ELF guy tells you he doesn't like the accelerationist as an ally because he thinks the industry is polluting. Either end the accelerationist alliance or reduce emissions more and they will go away. They aren't really a big deal anyway, just force through your policy and don't worry about a few terrorist attacks. If you improve things they slow down and go away.
I also had nuclear make up about 30-40% of the electric grid in my victory playthrough and I only had one meltdown. Didn't seem that unfair to me. The techs like nuclear fusion have a 1% chance to succeed which I interpret as "hey it's a bad and insanely risky idea to bet on technology that doesn't exist yet to solve a problem happening RIGHT NOW".
Also you definitely can go vegetarian and not vegan that's how I won the game. I don't think I even got rid of factory farming lol, I just reduced the animal calorie demand a lot via the animal liberation policies. Animal agriculture is completely unsustainable irl anyway so people are going to have to accept that there will be much less meat in their diets in the future even if they adopt a special diet.
I don't even know what the accelerationist is supposed to be. Accelerationism makes no sense after a revolution. I sided with the authoritarians and did the most sensible things I could within the bounds of the shitty "political power" system. Emissions and temperature were both going down.
Which is incredibly dumb. Industry isn't inherently polluting, it's when that industry uses fossil fuels and generally operates with disregard for the environment and ecology in favor of profit.
Ahh yes, very realistic. Who cares about people getting killed? Especially when siding with the authoritarians, I should at least have a way to crack down on them until they're defeated.
No they don't. They say they do, but they're literally hard coded to never succeed.
It's not like research into nuclear fusion takes away from anything else. We have perfectly functional fission technology that doesn't really need researchers working on it. And nuclear physicists can't exactly pick up and go work in another field. And I think some of the other non-nuclear stuff I saw doesn't exist yet either. But even if that's the case, just don't present that as an option.
That doesn't sound vegetarian, it sounds like you just reduced meat consumption.
No, it's not. Capitalists' way of handling it is unsustainable, because capitalism is unsustainable. Like you said we will have to reduce consumption, but "unsustainable" would mean we have to cut out consumption entirely.
I've gone strong on nuclear every single game with little issue. The decision to dangle "free energy" techs before you and then deny them is, I think, a really powerful rhetorical device. The game is saying to not depend on silver bullet solutions that are perpetually 30 years in the future, and instead implement the best available means right now.
On the vegan thing, I've never not done it in my games because its such an obvious (to me) necessity. If we want to restore wild habbitatas and reverse extinction we simply cannot rely on animal calories to help feed ~10 billion people. And that's completely ignoring the moral dimension of the matter.
That said, if you start the lab meat in the first year, then speed it up by 2 in the second planning session, it will be available in the 3rd. This is one of those really easy gets which can allow you to go, like, 50-50 on lab + free range and get fairly strong eco gains. It's also perfectly feasible to go vegetarian mandate and leave it at that. But again, why?