EDIT: i now see the glaring problem with this thread- it assumes proletarians (white ones especially) are mostly reactionary and won't advocate for their own class interests. further, he only addresses two types of americans, the radlib and the white reactionary. this thread is almost entirely unhelpful to people on this site who are in neither category and consistently fight back against libs and reactionaries alike.

also the term "synthetic left" was coined by calep maupin, a patsoc and genuinely revolting person

a better tweet than this would have been "radlibs appropriate the struggles of marginalized people to distract from the struggle of the working class, but the material conditions of the working class are affected by structures like racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia, etc. 1/2" "Therefore a mass communist movement must focus on improving the material conditions of the lower classes, but especially to those most oppressed under capitalism"

this was quite the struggle session

Thank you to everyone who shared their input, you guys are the best :soviet-heart: communism will win, love you all

PS read some Mao

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    They are not low-rung wage workers with stable employment, as you seem to suggest.

    I was not suggesting that though? Temp jobs are by definition precarious (from experience) and most store jobs are seasonal or will change your schedule without explanation (or just take you off the schedule if you become inconvenient for any reason). They're not very stable normally. Produce harvesting is also seasonal and slaughterhouses have extremely high turnover due to the way they physically and psychologically chew through people.

    I've been in some similar situations and temp workers are usually immigrants who don't speak a lot of english (which adds to the precarity) and their schedules aren't regular. Their work site can go down or do layoffs at the drop of a hat and they have little recourse. In some cases they can be jerked around to different worksites for a few days at a time with days to weeks between assignments, and the pay is not exactly livable.

    I also disagree with the Luxemburgian notion that lumpenproles aren't radicalizable. IMO they're more radicalizable than a lot of proles. I generally take issue with proles with more income and job security, but I think the labor aristocrat/pmc defintions suit them more.

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        This is all fair in a historical sense, but imo we need a word to describe these people as they exist now because there is a very real subculture surrounding this sort of pool of employee-churning low wage workers that draws ire from both neolibs and certain leftists.

        I'm especially not a fan of the way patsocs and the people who borrow their terminology try to distance themselves from this group. "Working class" is a common and honestly kinda transparent term for middle class proles (and typically white ones at that) that they like to throw around now. The people who use the term seem to have Browderist intentions. I'm not afraid that patsocs will succeed but that they'll bring the rest of the movement down with them by snubbing people who suffer the most as unimportant obstacles.