Zionists will literally embrace Nazis over Jewish people who are opposed to apartheid

He actually did it twice also lmao

If you’d stop reading into things I didn’t say, this whole discussion would have been much less frustrating for you. It’s literally in the title of my post. The top reason Biden 2020 voters sat out of the 2024 election was Gaza. Literally that is the point. The point is that it was actually a reason people chose not to vote.

Where oh where, I beg of you to show me, have I made the claim that Palestine is why democrats lost at any point in this discussion? You are literally arguing with nobody about that.

The OP does not show any evidence of the election being won or lost by either party for any reason. It shows reasons some voters who voted in 2020 did not vote in 2024, and Palestine was only 30% of that

I’m asking you to prove how the first bit is evident. It should be easy, the way you are speaking about it would imply that the evidence is readily available

Do you have numbers to back up what you are saying, or are you just speaking directly out of your asshole?

Yes, it is entirely possible that policy on Palestine is irrelevant to the reason Kamala lost. Have you also considered that people showed up for other reasons that weren’t Palestine related at all?

Net change in vote between 2020 and 2024 means literally nothing here. It gives you no useful information other than comparing the vote totals. It does not tell you who did/did not vote and why, it tells you how many people did/did not vote.

Sure, it would make sense that you might think going from "The discussion is over." to "it is entirely possible" is progress of a sort. Of course, this is only if somewhere along the way you imagined me making the argument that this is what swung the election one way or the other, then in your own mind managed to successfully debate against the point I never made.

And for the statistics in question, yes, 2020 voter turnout really does have nothing to do with 2024 voter turnout in the argument you are making unless you are making the assumption that the same exact slate of people showed up for both elections.

Close to the same total number of people showing up ≠ the same exact group of people showed up +/- net difference

Yes, that proportion is .6% of the Democratic vote when compared to 2020. Good thing the exact same slate of 70 million people showed up in both 2020 and 2024 to make that math really easy for us to figure out who exactly stayed home!

That being said, not sure what Harris losing by 3.5% has to do with anything when Gaza is still the largest reason 2020 dem voters who didn’t vote in 2024 states home.

Sure, I know you aren’t being debate perverty because you aren’t arguing with a claim that I actually made. Nowhere did I say people sitting out in the election was the reason Harris lost. I said Gaza was the main reason people who voted Biden in 2020 did sit out the election. Those are two entirely different claims.

That being said, I think you are making the same assumption as the other person. Looking at net voter gains/losses across the two years is meaningless without the data to separate them into groups. Harris lost 79000 votes there? Ok. Who? The same exact slate of people that showed up in 2020 minus 79000? That isn’t how election turnout works

Brother, total voter turnout in 2024 has nothing to do with who voted in 2020. Very cool that the total numbers you are using to draw your conclusion are close to the same, but they have no correlation with each other unless you are making the bold assumption that the same exact set of people showed up in 2020 and 2024 lmao

So yes, given this data it is entirely possible that people staying home because of Gaza mattered, though to be clear that was never a claim that I made. I said 2020 voters’ largest reason for staying home was Gaza.

We lost because America got too woke :/

Yes… it does say the actual proportion of voters? That’s literally the first thing it said. Proportion of voters falling into (X) categories who voted Biden in 2020 who did not vote for Harris in 2024. It then talks about votes that flipped from Biden to Trump across swing states

The “makes no difference” is just a part of the sample size that isn’t relevant on those discussions. Clearly the important data takeaway is that 3x more people who didn’t vote Harris would have been more likely to vote for her than turned less likely to vote for her if she promised to stop sending weapons to Israel.

Honestly, it sounds like you just didn’t read the data

Whoops my bad lol

How will the customers get overstimulated otherwise?

Hey but what if we made everybody’s lives worse so we could mildly inconvenience one person who might steal something that won’t impact our margins at all?

but if you don’t talk about what is wrong how will the stupid rubes living through it possibly know something is wrong? Don’t we set the narrative?