Yeah, and, for example, Marx said that "money" was technically "real" as early as The German Ideology. It wasn't a matter of saying "money is fiat and therefore it doesn't exist!" It was a matter of dealing with the system at the heart of it.
I think we're both being doomer. My point is our society has the ability to eradicate poverty; but decides not to. You're saying we cant make that happen currently. I agree.
I should clarify what I'm saying: it's not a problem of "society" (which puts the onus on the average proletarian) but the mode of production and the bourgeois power structure.
I think we will get rid of it eventually.
To me, it's not a matter of if, but when.
But I understand what you're saying and I'm sorry if you're feeling down.
But I think that the situation is not hopeless and so I don't mean to come off as being a "doomer."
Thank you. Not feeling down; I just think its something I forget to remember and others may benefit from a reminder. It doesnt have to be like this. We can do better. Also yes onus is on the Proletariat
It's very much real.
right, "social construct" doesn't mean "imaginary"
Yeah, and, for example, Marx said that "money" was technically "real" as early as The German Ideology. It wasn't a matter of saying "money is fiat and therefore it doesn't exist!" It was a matter of dealing with the system at the heart of it.
He iterates this with his belief in god: they’re all real because we said they are and affect our lives and the lives of others
yeah
It doesnt have to be.
I'm saying that you can't "pick up a gun tomorrow" in order to topple the whole system and even that requires action and force.
You have to build a movement, build dual power, etc. It's a long process. It's not about everyone just "stopping what they're doing right now."
Idk, maybe I'm being pedantic lmao
I think we're both being doomer. My point is our society has the ability to eradicate poverty; but decides not to. You're saying we cant make that happen currently. I agree.
Again, sorry if I come off as pedantic or argumentative.
Good faith conversation is always a win.
Of course!
I should clarify what I'm saying: it's not a problem of "society" (which puts the onus on the average proletarian) but the mode of production and the bourgeois power structure.
I think we will get rid of it eventually.
To me, it's not a matter of if, but when.
But I understand what you're saying and I'm sorry if you're feeling down.
But I think that the situation is not hopeless and so I don't mean to come off as being a "doomer."
Thank you. Not feeling down; I just think its something I forget to remember and others may benefit from a reminder. It doesnt have to be like this. We can do better. Also yes onus is on the Proletariat
Wait, are you joking?
That is the opposite of what Pluto said...
My cave was run by union shadow puppets.
Err yeah, but it might have been a mistake on his part when they typed it.
Alright, well, I've said my piece.