1. They do fight in wars

  2. They're the ones that get burned and raped and pillaged by invading (and sometimes allied) forces

Fuck anyone who says only men suffer during war. I won't stand for that shit.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    fairly sure that any newly instantiated draft would be gender neutral, though

    Are women going to accept that? Are they going to be like "yeah we want to fight for a country that doesn't respect our bodies" ?

    Black people? Black women?

    LGBT people?

    There's a lot of groups that feel like the country literally hates them and I can see all of them saying "lol nah fuck that" to a draft. People aren't going to be particularly enthusiastic about dying for a country that is like this.

    There’s plenty of labor shortages in other areas.

    As soon as you get the military involved in labour shortages you are opening the door to people saying "this is literally a war against the workers". Deploying the military as scabs is a horrible idea that would lead people to revolution very quickly. Deploying soldiers against workers as a method of strike breaking would lead workers to treating their labour issues as a literal war against the state.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Because it directly and immediately affects them whereas all the other things can be mentally distanced provided that their immediate material concerns are met.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            The 20% of the population that are lgbt will not have kids to threaten with starvation. It will be the individual and the individual alone making a decision between living in a difficult way or getting physically shot at. The threat is not large enough to make people choose getting shot at.

              • Awoo [she/her]
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                2 years ago

                People literally choose getting shot at now over living in poverty. I struggle to see how that will change when people are starving to death en masse.

                Sure but that's happening in fewer and fewer quantities, which is why a draft might even be necessary, despite the poverty and the ever decreasing "middle" class.

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      well the question there is if black people, and the lgbt decide they don't want to go couldn't the government throw them in prison. After all the nature of persecuted minorities is that they have neither numbers nor political power.

      If as a group white men said they won't go the government would be forced to come to the negotiating table but more marginal groups could be more feasibly simply forced

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        20% of the generation that would be drafted (genZ) is lgbt. This is not at all an insignificant group size, it's absolutely massive.

        The imperial core is in a situation where it MUST figure out what it's going to do with the lgbt community and how to integrate it into the military with approval from this group or it will be incapable of functioning.