Pcb is undergoing a major crisis. It will probably break at some point in the nearish future. It was an important party in the past, but for reasons i dont know they became an academic party and non-revolutionary to put it lighly. At some point one of their leaders (Mauro Iasi iirc) even suggested taking "leninist" out of their program
Your analysis is based on a glance at a site lmao.
UP is the electoral arm of another larger, radical organization. The point of it is to act as a tool for taking radical rhetoric into the elections and recruiting for the other, more openly ML and revolution-focused groups. It is not a whole thing in itself, just a tool of another larger movement.
It is still a relatively new organization, though. They are ever more consistently showing up amongst organizers of events and lower level institutions, like universities.
I don't get your point about electoralism. As far as I know, they are a revolutionary party. Disputing elections doesn't mean they believe in the system. If anything it can serve as propaganda.
And who said that's all they do? You're the one claiming that, show proof that is the only thing they do. I don't know much about UP, but they were actively protesting against the privatization of water in São Paulo and had members being beaten by the police and jailed.
I don't know, I'm not from UP. When I search on google I get pages from the end of 2023. I get the skepticism, but you are making bold claims about them.
This is incredibly american brained. OP is saying they are organizing in real life and saying examples, and your retort is that their website sucks. Come on
i don't know jack about any of these parties; never heard of any of them
but lots and lots of extremely functional and active organizations have websites which are terrible, out of date, etc. they might even have a very active online presence just not via their placeholder website. they could be spending their online time at social media accounts, email lists, chat servers... much of which would be impossible for you to find without being a member of their constituency or being invited in.
These people are organizing events in real life and starting to build power in a small scale. But sure, not updating a website indicates complete organizational breakdown. Sorry, but this reads like some silly comment I'd see on reddit.
Their social media is updated regularly btw, I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people following parties online do so through Instagram
being “the better party” you are using to bludgeon the party Freudian mentioned
I didn't do that and never intended to do. The only one that came here boasting about a party being the "only good one", truly antiemperialist etc., was that person you mentioned. I just called them out on their bullshit.
Now, for that protest I mentioned, here are two news pieces I found: https://averdade.org.br/2023/12/pm-fascista-prende-presidente-da-up-em-sp-por-lutar-contra-privatizacao-da-agua/ and https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2023/12/13/o-que-senti-foi-medo-militantes-presos-em-manifestacao-na-alesp-contra-venda-da-sabesp-falam-apos-soltura.
There's also this video talking about it, but it's quite lengthy. It's all in portuguese.
They’re reactionary trots and politically irrelevant. UP and the PCB are the two decent ones.
Don’t just lie to me, I can just scroll up and see what you wrote and the order the comments were written in.
Lie my ass, I'm literally not the one that said that, at the fucking least look at the profile you are quoting for fuck's sake.
They didn’t say that at all, go re-read the comment thread. They said ‘most Brazilian communists are unfortunately imperialists’. You read the rest into it, and you leaped to the assumption that your camp was within the “imperialist” camp immediately, which they never even suggested. Like you just knee jerk assumed you were being attacked by that comment, and if you feel that way maybe you should do some introspection on why because it’s a valid critique from what I can see.
Most communist parties in Brasil are alligned with imperialism, in part or as a whole. But PCO is grassroots communism, no academic bullshit or consessions for the burguersie.
You really never interacted with PCO militants have you? It's always this same attitude of them being the correct ones implying everyone else is a imperialist dog, which this person did, while defending bullshit like this, and labeling everything "identity politics". Maybe if they didn't align with the far right so often, I wouldn't come here with assumptions, assumption those that I was right about in this very post. Just look at the chain of comments I linked above, I literally provide proof for everything I claimed there.
I’m glad they were participating in some actual protests, that’s good. It cannot be denied though that they are run in an unprofessional manner if their website is down for 5+ months and they don’t update social media materials for 2+ years. Brazilians all have phones. They all have the internet.
Look at their Twitter and Instagram accounts, they are active all the time. Again, YOU are the one claiming their website is down for 5+ months. I don't know for how long it has been down, it could be a few hours, a week or months, stop just claiming stuff without actual proof, how hard is that?
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Pcb is undergoing a major crisis. It will probably break at some point in the nearish future. It was an important party in the past, but for reasons i dont know they became an academic party and non-revolutionary to put it lighly. At some point one of their leaders (Mauro Iasi iirc) even suggested taking "leninist" out of their program
Up i really dont know much about
Your analysis is based on a glance at a site lmao.
UP is the electoral arm of another larger, radical organization. The point of it is to act as a tool for taking radical rhetoric into the elections and recruiting for the other, more openly ML and revolution-focused groups. It is not a whole thing in itself, just a tool of another larger movement.
It is still a relatively new organization, though. They are ever more consistently showing up amongst organizers of events and lower level institutions, like universities.
Yeah, don't know what happened to UP's website, it looks like there are mentions of Palestine in it, but because it's down I can't see what it was. Here's a news article about them being pro-Palestine and against Israeli occupation.
There's also this tweet from a thread they did.
I don't get your point about electoralism. As far as I know, they are a revolutionary party. Disputing elections doesn't mean they believe in the system. If anything it can serve as propaganda.
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Recently they called the police to censor PCO's women who tried to talk about palestinian women in the 8th of march. Very leftist!
And who said that's all they do? You're the one claiming that, show proof that is the only thing they do. I don't know much about UP, but they were actively protesting against the privatization of water in São Paulo and had members being beaten by the police and jailed.
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I don't know, I'm not from UP. When I search on google I get pages from the end of 2023. I get the skepticism, but you are making bold claims about them.
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This is incredibly american brained. OP is saying they are organizing in real life and saying examples, and your retort is that their website sucks. Come on
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i don't know jack about any of these parties; never heard of any of them
but lots and lots of extremely functional and active organizations have websites which are terrible, out of date, etc. they might even have a very active online presence just not via their placeholder website. they could be spending their online time at social media accounts, email lists, chat servers... much of which would be impossible for you to find without being a member of their constituency or being invited in.
This is just silly, dude.
These people are organizing events in real life and starting to build power in a small scale. But sure, not updating a website indicates complete organizational breakdown. Sorry, but this reads like some silly comment I'd see on reddit.
Their social media is updated regularly btw, I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people following parties online do so through Instagram
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I didn't do that and never intended to do. The only one that came here boasting about a party being the "only good one", truly antiemperialist etc., was that person you mentioned. I just called them out on their bullshit.
Now, for that protest I mentioned, here are two news pieces I found: https://averdade.org.br/2023/12/pm-fascista-prende-presidente-da-up-em-sp-por-lutar-contra-privatizacao-da-agua/ and https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2023/12/13/o-que-senti-foi-medo-militantes-presos-em-manifestacao-na-alesp-contra-venda-da-sabesp-falam-apos-soltura.
There's also this video talking about it, but it's quite lengthy. It's all in portuguese.
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Lie my ass, I'm literally not the one that said that, at the fucking least look at the profile you are quoting for fuck's sake.
You really never interacted with PCO militants have you? It's always this same attitude of them being the correct ones implying everyone else is a imperialist dog, which this person did, while defending bullshit like this, and labeling everything "identity politics". Maybe if they didn't align with the far right so often, I wouldn't come here with assumptions, assumption those that I was right about in this very post. Just look at the chain of comments I linked above, I literally provide proof for everything I claimed there.
Look at their Twitter and Instagram accounts, they are active all the time. Again, YOU are the one claiming their website is down for 5+ months. I don't know for how long it has been down, it could be a few hours, a week or months, stop just claiming stuff without actual proof, how hard is that?
Here, I'm gonna link it for you: Instagram, Twitter.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: