Sometimes. You've gotta remember they were carpet bombed with cold war propane while living with lead paint and gasoline and plastics in the water because there was no epa. Sometimes they believe in ultimately good things but cannot understand socialism is how you get them. They cannot invasion a good world with corporations, or escape the idea that Russia sucked and Cuba does too.
Don't think it's possible because conditions have worsened so much. You can tell someone who had a decent childhood aside from the beatings that things are bad because of feminism a lot more easily than people who saw their parents suffering through the recession and housing market crash repeatedly. Not everyone of course, there's always total morons.
punks are politically all over the place. traditionally the scene has always had a strong anarchist bent, but few of it was grounded in a thorough ideological framework and there's unfortunately always been reactionary-leaning edgelord tendencies as well. Half of the Ramones were republicans. you'll find shit takes in a lot of punk lyrics, often scattered throughout otherwise fairly based stuff. It's entirely normal that bands from the 1980s shit on America in the most wonderful ways possible for an entire album, then drop some ecofash nuclear take or some nonsense like that. Large parts of the scene also became a lot less diverse after the first few years, punk was very queer when it started out, there were lots of women active in the scene, some really great black artists like the Bad Brains had a great influence on the genre - but when the initial hype died down and concerts became more and more toxic and violent, a lot of it turned into a scene for straight white dudes with rich parents who only cared about shock appeal.
Jello Biafra hated the WTO and ranted against it on his spoken words album. He had a band called No To WTO or something like that. Anti-WTO is pure nativism.
Being against free trade is a huge right-wing tell. It's 100% nativism and is one of the waves that Trump rode to being elected.
I don't understand nativism. Never have. Why should you be proud for being born at a particular point on planet earth? If you're a patriotic American born in El Paso, you're only a couple of kilometers from being a patriotic Mexican. Why? It makes zero sense.
right wing opposition to free trade may be nativism, left wing opposition to free trade is 100% anti-imperialism (disclaimer: except for maybe weird patsocs idk, but i dont really count them)
free trade agreements are one of the major cornerstones of imperial wealth extraction from the global south, and deny them national sovereignty, prevent the development of national industry, are horrible for workers rights, and reduce the ability of countries to remove their dependence on the west
dont mistake the anti-globalists of the late 90s/early 2000s for the anti-(((globalists))) of today, they have nothing in common except unfortunately the name
It's literally in the name. No one was an "anti-globalist" twenty years ago. They were anti-globalization. Specifically opposed to finance imperialist. "Globalists" is a coded term for Jews that only entered the discourse a few years ago, but the term somehow got normalized and now everyone is using it, which distorts and disguises it's racist origins.
Do punks skew vaguely right wing at all? I'm not really into the link scene but I can't really identify any right wing elements in there.
That pepe is modeled after GG Allin, a punk who was basically chaotic centrist. Did nasty shit like you brush your teeth.
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A lot do, yeah actually. That exact guy is like half the dad's I know
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If they aren't like small business owners they tend to have some empathy. The business owners are completely depraved though
It's more center, what's a politic kind of thinking, but they definitely aren't gleeful over mass shootings or anything like that
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Sometimes. You've gotta remember they were carpet bombed with cold war propane while living with lead paint and gasoline and plastics in the water because there was no epa. Sometimes they believe in ultimately good things but cannot understand socialism is how you get them. They cannot invasion a good world with corporations, or escape the idea that Russia sucked and Cuba does too.
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Don't think it's possible because conditions have worsened so much. You can tell someone who had a decent childhood aside from the beatings that things are bad because of feminism a lot more easily than people who saw their parents suffering through the recession and housing market crash repeatedly. Not everyone of course, there's always total morons.
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Needs to be swapped with the agitator
punks are politically all over the place. traditionally the scene has always had a strong anarchist bent, but few of it was grounded in a thorough ideological framework and there's unfortunately always been reactionary-leaning edgelord tendencies as well. Half of the Ramones were republicans. you'll find shit takes in a lot of punk lyrics, often scattered throughout otherwise fairly based stuff. It's entirely normal that bands from the 1980s shit on America in the most wonderful ways possible for an entire album, then drop some ecofash nuclear take or some nonsense like that. Large parts of the scene also became a lot less diverse after the first few years, punk was very queer when it started out, there were lots of women active in the scene, some really great black artists like the Bad Brains had a great influence on the genre - but when the initial hype died down and concerts became more and more toxic and violent, a lot of it turned into a scene for straight white dudes with rich parents who only cared about shock appeal.
Jello Biafra hated the WTO and ranted against it on his spoken words album. He had a band called No To WTO or something like that. Anti-WTO is pure nativism.
WTO is one of the tentacles of Western imperialism.
Being against free trade is a huge right-wing tell. It's 100% nativism and is one of the waves that Trump rode to being elected.
I don't understand nativism. Never have. Why should you be proud for being born at a particular point on planet earth? If you're a patriotic American born in El Paso, you're only a couple of kilometers from being a patriotic Mexican. Why? It makes zero sense.
right wing opposition to free trade may be nativism, left wing opposition to free trade is 100% anti-imperialism (disclaimer: except for maybe weird patsocs idk, but i dont really count them)
free trade agreements are one of the major cornerstones of imperial wealth extraction from the global south, and deny them national sovereignty, prevent the development of national industry, are horrible for workers rights, and reduce the ability of countries to remove their dependence on the west
dont mistake the anti-globalists of the late 90s/early 2000s for the anti-(((globalists))) of today, they have nothing in common except unfortunately the name
It's literally in the name. No one was an "anti-globalist" twenty years ago. They were anti-globalization. Specifically opposed to finance imperialist. "Globalists" is a coded term for Jews that only entered the discourse a few years ago, but the term somehow got normalized and now everyone is using it, which distorts and disguises it's racist origins.
Free trade*
*on the Western conditions
>>>/reddit/
fuck the WTO lol death to domestic capital death to international capital