Here on Hexbear, most of us are fans of AES (actually-existing socialist) countries, China included. China is actually much more democratic than Western sources tend to imply, and despite the best efforts of the Western media, it is quite clear that China is an exemplar of good governance, particularly with regard to covid-19.
Dictatorship of the proletariat. Policies are driven by public demand and the greater good rather than the whims of old rich people. China is the only country on earth where billionaires who break the law go to jail and stay there.
Not true at all. I recommend learning how China's system of democracy is actually structured, you will have heard the mindless repetition of "it's a dictatorship" by liberals and the media forever but absolutely none of them will have taught you how any of China's system is actually structured.
China's system was fundamentally inherited from the Soviet Union and then adapted with further changes. It is very similar to soviet democracy.
In essence, elections are held at a local level for a worker's council. The members of that worker's council then elect a candidate to represent the council at the next tier up, and then the members of that council elect a candidate to represent them at the next tier up. This continues for many tiers all the way up to the national congress and are highly meritocratic based on the actual results that representatives produce. Every person at the top has climbed through these tiers from the very bottom working at the local level to improve the people's lives.
All of this is fundamentally kept from people when anything about China is brought up because any actual understanding of the system and how it functions cuts through the ability to frame it as evil.
Ye, that particular article is useful but has been getting progressively worse over the last couple years. In particular it's useful as it dispels the myth many seem to believe that there's no elections at all. People have fundamentally NO knowledge whatsoever what the system is and getting your foot in the door of these people often involves using something that they trust already, for a lot of them that's libpedia.
You never responded to me the other day in our fascism discussion btw :<
The Chinese government system is, very roughly, that you elect the city counselors for your district, then all the city counselors elect your mayor. Every five years, all the city counselors in your province elect delegates to the national convention, then the delegates elect congress, and finally congress elects the president. There are a ton of edge cases to this, where what I referred to as "city counselor" and "province" could be all sorts of other things if you don't live in a large city in a standard province.
There's plenty of room to argue about whether this is more or less democratic than any other system, but ultimately it is considered authoritarian because the people who own western newspapers don't get to vote.
I dont think I understand the context here or I am just a smooth brain. Is this a good thing? I thought china was just another dictatorship?
Im bad at picking up on context Im sorry :(
Edit: Thank you for responses. Once again I am left perplexed by my lack of knowledge. A meme text to summarize my existence:
"When do I start to fully understand topic xyz?" "That's the neat part, you don't."
Here on Hexbear, most of us are fans of AES (actually-existing socialist) countries, China included. China is actually much more democratic than Western sources tend to imply, and despite the best efforts of the Western media, it is quite clear that China is an exemplar of good governance, particularly with regard to covid-19.
It's extremely good. Chinese students can major in being based, and it's actually an in-demand degree
Death to America
Dictatorship of the proletariat. Policies are driven by public demand and the greater good rather than the whims of old rich people. China is the only country on earth where billionaires who break the law go to jail and stay there.
Eh, sometimes they leave
In a body bag :owned:
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Enjoy some Yellow Parenti, friend.
all states are class dictatorships
Not true at all. I recommend learning how China's system of democracy is actually structured, you will have heard the mindless repetition of "it's a dictatorship" by liberals and the media forever but absolutely none of them will have taught you how any of China's system is actually structured.
China's system was fundamentally inherited from the Soviet Union and then adapted with further changes. It is very similar to soviet democracy.
In essence, elections are held at a local level for a worker's council. The members of that worker's council then elect a candidate to represent the council at the next tier up, and then the members of that council elect a candidate to represent them at the next tier up. This continues for many tiers all the way up to the national congress and are highly meritocratic based on the actual results that representatives produce. Every person at the top has climbed through these tiers from the very bottom working at the local level to improve the people's lives.
All of this is fundamentally kept from people when anything about China is brought up because any actual understanding of the system and how it functions cuts through the ability to frame it as evil.
Link to NATOpedia? Seriously?
Ye, that particular article is useful but has been getting progressively worse over the last couple years. In particular it's useful as it dispels the myth many seem to believe that there's no elections at all. People have fundamentally NO knowledge whatsoever what the system is and getting your foot in the door of these people often involves using something that they trust already, for a lot of them that's libpedia.
You never responded to me the other day in our fascism discussion btw :<
Most people don't even know how their local township is run, let alone a foreign government.
edit: lol damn, Awoo ninja'd me by 40 minutes
The Chinese government system is, very roughly, that you elect the city counselors for your district, then all the city counselors elect your mayor. Every five years, all the city counselors in your province elect delegates to the national convention, then the delegates elect congress, and finally congress elects the president. There are a ton of edge cases to this, where what I referred to as "city counselor" and "province" could be all sorts of other things if you don't live in a large city in a standard province.
There's plenty of room to argue about whether this is more or less democratic than any other system, but ultimately it is considered authoritarian because the people who own western newspapers don't get to vote.