GenZedong is a lot more dogmatic about China than we are here. I enjoy seeing good faith critiques with the understanding that China is a net good. I think that, internally, all support ought to be critical. Even amongst friends I’m working to radicalize, I find conceding things up front while talking one on one helps them realize I’m not just some zealot who hasn’t thought things through. But when it comes to performing for libs online, uncritical support for all AES projects. I refuse to do their capitalist apologia work for them.
ya i dont talk to libs about that sort of stuff at all. i guess it makes sense to do it that way on reddit. i hadn't really considered that angle, so thanks.
i feel like since leftist criticisms of china are probably almost entirely different from liberal ones it doesnt necessarily have to serve as doing capitalist propaganda for them. maybe it can help redirect the conversation away from bullshit like xinjiang whatever? idk, probably not. i'm not interested in arguing with liberals about china or whatever online so i don't know what the strategems are.
In my experience it’s hard to even discuss leftist critiques of China with a liberal. Like I can talk about how their housing market is stagnating and a liberal will hear “China’s market manipulation has failed” instead of the actual (admittedly mild) critique about enabling excessive financialization. I believe there’s even been progress on that front that I haven’t kept up on. But you get my point. If someone’s not already anticapitalist, framing it in a way that makes sense to them is hard
checks out. people really don't have an easy time accepting new ideas especially ones that go against such ingrained beliefs from propaganda etc. hits bong you just need to open your mind bro (me when a liberal propagates propaganda) (kind of unironically)
do you know what a good place is to learn abt modern china or just keep up with it newswise? i'm not like extremely confident in state media but i guess its surely better than like NYT or fuckin whatever
Something a friend insists works wonders is saying, “I know it’s a lot to ask you to realign your whole world view, but…” Specifically with longer term relationships where you see each other often
GenZedong is a lot more dogmatic about China than we are here. I enjoy seeing good faith critiques with the understanding that China is a net good. I think that, internally, all support ought to be critical. Even amongst friends I’m working to radicalize, I find conceding things up front while talking one on one helps them realize I’m not just some zealot who hasn’t thought things through. But when it comes to performing for libs online, uncritical support for all AES projects. I refuse to do their capitalist apologia work for them.
ya i dont talk to libs about that sort of stuff at all. i guess it makes sense to do it that way on reddit. i hadn't really considered that angle, so thanks.
i feel like since leftist criticisms of china are probably almost entirely different from liberal ones it doesnt necessarily have to serve as doing capitalist propaganda for them. maybe it can help redirect the conversation away from bullshit like xinjiang whatever? idk, probably not. i'm not interested in arguing with liberals about china or whatever online so i don't know what the strategems are.
In my experience it’s hard to even discuss leftist critiques of China with a liberal. Like I can talk about how their housing market is stagnating and a liberal will hear “China’s market manipulation has failed” instead of the actual (admittedly mild) critique about enabling excessive financialization. I believe there’s even been progress on that front that I haven’t kept up on. But you get my point. If someone’s not already anticapitalist, framing it in a way that makes sense to them is hard
checks out. people really don't have an easy time accepting new ideas especially ones that go against such ingrained beliefs from propaganda etc. hits bong you just need to open your mind bro (me when a liberal propagates propaganda) (kind of unironically)
do you know what a good place is to learn abt modern china or just keep up with it newswise? i'm not like extremely confident in state media but i guess its surely better than like NYT or fuckin whatever
Something a friend insists works wonders is saying, “I know it’s a lot to ask you to realign your whole world view, but…” Specifically with longer term relationships where you see each other often