When it comes to rapid domestic development and global ascendance, there is hardly any parallel to what China has achieved over the past decade. In a poll conducted by the Global Times Research Center in 2012, over half of foreign respondents viewed China as a
the people who "look down on the West" have increased to 41.7 percent
Come on man. Yes there was a western color revolution contingent. But more stuff happened then that. Did the protestors just give up and go home after killing a couple soldiers? How were they dispersed.
Critical support means you have to be critical. (edit: I should say think critically)
Chinese people know protestors died and even if they dont love that they generaly judge that the suppression was the correct call especially after dozens of PLA soldiers got murked mot just a couple. Yeah a couple hundreds of protestors,armed by that point, died as well , chinese people know that . So whats the issue and what is to be critical off? That China doesnt allow public posts celebrating or siding with the color revolution or that Chinese people simply dont care 1/10th as much as redditors ?
The issue is simply that keywords related to the event are filtered automatically. Like I'm not even saying it's 100% bad necessarily, just quipping how their censorship works. I can see why you all have a kneejerk reaction tho, considering the western media campaign against China.
These are both faulty sources in the first place as they both claim a massacre occurred in the square itself when no such thing happened. The deaths that occurred were in battles in numerous different side streets where skirmishes occurred several miles apart.
A couple deaths did occur in the square -- unarmed officers sent to negotiate who were hung by protesters and burned alive. CW extreme images - https://i.imgur.com/mctpk8M.png https://i.imgur.com/mRkv7e4.png
You know it's funny when he says that we are sidestepping on answering whether people in China are allowed to talk about it or not when
He assumed they aren't
His whole argument is that they aren't better for criticizing the US which is weird to defend
He didn't bother reading what I posted
He already assumed that a massacre happened which he would know more about if he had bothered to read what I linked.
From now on, I am not going to engage with bad faith redditors and simply call them western crackers.
I did read what you posted, and I showed you photos of shot civilians. I never asserted that I'm only talking about what happened in the square, I never even said "massacre."
If they are allowed to talk about it on social media than show me examples.
PLA soldiers turned off the lights, entered the square, turned on the lights, and then told everyone they were acceding to demands and request that they leave the square immediately. The protestors left while singing The Internationale and waving red flags, holding up pictures of Mao.
Why are all these civilians ducking for cover? Did this man's brain explode from singing the Internationale? https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g36621881/tiananmen-square-massacre-photos/?slide=10
I said it was PARTLY a color revolution. There were many groups there for different reasons. Like people opposed to liberalization of the markets, and economic strife that could hurt a lot of Chinese people.
There are photographs. What "corrections" am I deflecting? You are being blindly chauvinist.
If I were being as blindly chauvinist as you, I'd be like, "the US did everything correctly at Kent State. The students left Kent State holding hands and singing Kumbaya and no one was shot."
Perfect example of deflection, lib. Just parroting the accusation of chauvinism like you're a little kid. Doesn't matter how little sense it makes, gotta throw something back, right? God forbid you listen to anyone.
Because nothing happened in 1989 other than pro western protestors killing the Chinese army personnel
Come on man. Yes there was a western color revolution contingent. But more stuff happened then that. Did the protestors just give up and go home after killing a couple soldiers? How were they dispersed.
Critical support means you have to be critical. (edit: I should say think critically)
Chinese people know protestors died and even if they dont love that they generaly judge that the suppression was the correct call especially after dozens of PLA soldiers got murked mot just a couple. Yeah a couple hundreds of protestors,armed by that point, died as well , chinese people know that . So whats the issue and what is to be critical off? That China doesnt allow public posts celebrating or siding with the color revolution or that Chinese people simply dont care 1/10th as much as redditors ?
Can you bring it up online in China even if you side against the color revolution? Does that pan with "riots never happen here."
The issue is simply that keywords related to the event are filtered automatically. Like I'm not even saying it's 100% bad necessarily, just quipping how their censorship works. I can see why you all have a kneejerk reaction tho, considering the western media campaign against China.
Where are you reading about the protestors getting disposed? Why are you supporting western propaganda?
https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php
More lib friendly source for you:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/liu-xiaobo-chinese-dissident-persuaded-student-protesters-to-leave-tiananmen-square-20170714-gxb3g9.html
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g36621881/tiananmen-square-massacre-photos/?slide=10
http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
These are both faulty sources in the first place as they both claim a massacre occurred in the square itself when no such thing happened. The deaths that occurred were in battles in numerous different side streets where skirmishes occurred several miles apart.
A couple deaths did occur in the square -- unarmed officers sent to negotiate who were hung by protesters and burned alive. CW extreme images - https://i.imgur.com/mctpk8M.png https://i.imgur.com/mRkv7e4.png
You know it's funny when he says that we are sidestepping on answering whether people in China are allowed to talk about it or not when
I did read what you posted, and I showed you photos of shot civilians. I never asserted that I'm only talking about what happened in the square, I never even said "massacre."
If they are allowed to talk about it on social media than show me examples.
I know that. Why are moving the goalposts to the square itself? Y'all are too defensive.
I just picked those sites for the photos.
PLA soldiers turned off the lights, entered the square, turned on the lights, and then told everyone they were acceding to demands and request that they leave the square immediately. The protestors left while singing The Internationale and waving red flags, holding up pictures of Mao.
I was there. This is exactly what happened.
Why are all these civilians ducking for cover? Did this man's brain explode from singing the Internationale? https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g36621881/tiananmen-square-massacre-photos/?slide=10
You say you believe it was a color revolution yet you are acting contrary to that supposed belief. :soviet-hmm:
I said it was PARTLY a color revolution. There were many groups there for different reasons. Like people opposed to liberalization of the markets, and economic strife that could hurt a lot of Chinese people.
No nuance allowed huh. With us or against us. Gotta pretend like nobody got shot.
Ah yes the nuance of blindly repeating Western chauvinist propaganda and deflecting whenever someone corrects you.
Back to :reddit-logo:, lib.
There are photographs. What "corrections" am I deflecting? You are being blindly chauvinist.
If I were being as blindly chauvinist as you, I'd be like, "the US did everything correctly at Kent State. The students left Kent State holding hands and singing Kumbaya and no one was shot."
Perfect example of deflection, lib. Just parroting the accusation of chauvinism like you're a little kid. Doesn't matter how little sense it makes, gotta throw something back, right? God forbid you listen to anyone.
also the tiananmen square riot is public knowledge in china idk what the hell you r even going on about lmfao :PIGPOOPBALLS:
americans only ever learned about Tulsa from a SUPERHERO TV SHOW :hahaha:
i too make signs in english to protest the chinese government