the people who "look down on the West" have increased to 41.7 percent
Opinions of the US have definitely gone down quite a bit with Gen z around the world. Europe, on the other hand, still has a mostly positive image. I don't think the Global South should look down on the West as much as they should stop blindly worshipping them and copying everything they do.
Edit: I meant to say Europe has a positive image with those from the Global South. I was one of them for the longest time. Hated the US for its explicit war-mongering and saw Europe as the more peaceful alternative to what the US was. They have great PR and it's even more impressive that they're able to do it without the media apparatus that the US has.
European Gen Z has a positive image of the US? Huh. I guess even in my wider social media like TikTok and :reddit-logo: I’m still in a bubble, because I don’t think I’ve ever seen a European say anything positive about the US.
It’s usually “How do you feel safe going anywhere when you could get shot?”“You pay how much for an ambulance???” Or just saying that Americans are fat lazy and dumb. “At least our schools aren’t a shooting range” and stuff like that. I figured most of the population of Europe would be happy to see the United States nuked to oblivion.
European Gen Z has a positive image of the US? Huh.
I think they mean that Europe is still perceived positively around the world, unlike USA
Ooooh yes I see, I can’t read. Yeah that’s definitely true. I think Europe has done a really good job since world war 2 of letting the US take the heat for all the stuff they’re complicit in, even though Europeans actually benefit more than Americans do from imperialism (if global wealth were split evenly the average American would be wealthier, unlike most of Europe)
I mean to say that Central American Gen Z thinks highly of Europe. But now that I think about it, Europeans do seem to be more Americanized. I've seen them speak in American accents from watching so much Youtube and calling their own currency "dollars." They also seem to know way more about American culture war stuff than we do.
Videos of the riots went everywhere on Chinese social media. And the top comments all said the same thing: "This is what we were admiring the whole time? This would never happen here." with 2433 replies saying "you said it!"
Yes, critizing the surely very deeply researched view of "they aren't allowed to talk about 1989" is equivalent to thinking China is a perfect utopia.
You know what, maybe I am being reactionary on this. I have just never seen a good source that shows that people in the PRC can't talk about 1989 Tiananmen square stuff online. I would be open to reading if you have something. I would still say, I dont know how it related to them talking about riots in the US in 2020. Them saying there are never riots isn't way out there if the last big one was over 30 years ago.
It is hard to find sources that aren't western-biased, but it seems like Weibo and other platforms do filter out keywords related to the event.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/06/30-years-tiananmen-square-state-chinese-censorship-and-digital-surveillance
All it would take to prove me wrong is to show me Chinese social media talking about the event.
chauvinist
a person displaying aggressive or exaggerated patriotism.
Sounds like u
You have severe reddit brain if you think the Chinese dont know or arent able to talk about it. They are also rightfully on the side that despite excessive violence taking place the outcome of not allowing it to become a larger color revolution was the correct call.
Oh no chinese liberals arent allowed to post supportive things over a failed color revolution that the entire west is pushing as a propaganda point against the CPC who cares
Ok but can you post about it or do keywords related to the event get filtered?
Searches for it are generally heavily filtered within sites themselves, likely intended to prevent research into the topic. But if you use the right direct searches with external sites you can find a few posts.
Translate them and ctrl+f "june".
https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404733545863316151
https://www.weibo.com/p/1001603887012728970212?pids=Pl_Official_CardMixFeedv6__4&feed_filter=2
https://weibo.com/3050810200/KuiNd0ssi
https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404104018484941275
Is there filtering that posts mentioning it go through first? Maybe? Impossible to verify without first hand good-faith use of the services as a regular user. Most social media sites are probably very harsh with new accounts that exhibit any unusual behaviour just like reddit and facebook are so verification is probably difficult, in particular because their services will be on the lookout for any would-be CIA attempts to set up networks of accounts to manipulate social media like they did on Twitter against Cuba last year.
Could we be having this conversation on a Hexbear based in China? I just want a straight answer. Y'all seem to be dodging and making excuses.
That's not at all what I'm talking about. Just show me Chinese social media posts mentioning the event. Should be easy if you say it's 100%.
Like if one guys says, "we never have riots like that here." Then, someone else replies, "well not since 1989."
well i would guess that wont get banned most likely. If someone makes some post on weibo on "lets talk about the Tianamen square protests and their suppression" or posts a "man stands in front of tank in Tiananmen square 1989 " that will get deleted i would guess or even more so mass reported from the Chinese people themselves that see how extremely much that topic is used as a propaganda tool in the west as opposed to how much indiferent and settled it is in Chinese people minds so they will see it as an attempt to create chaos and sow discord. But still i dont really know , im not Chinese and im not deep in chinese social media . They might meme about it on We Chat all the time and i wouldnt know
and even still it doesnt register in peoples mind as something remotely equivalent as American Protests of millions overall split in every big city. They are a 1.5 billion people nation and it was a riot-protest of a much smaller scale mainly in one city 40 years ago. It probably wouldnt cross their mind when typing "riots like this dont happen here when reaction to the US unrest and social instability and chaos.
Because nothing happened in 1989 other than pro western protestors killing the Chinese army personnel
Come on man. Yes there was a western color revolution contingent. But more stuff happened then that. Did the protestors just give up and go home after killing a couple soldiers? How were they dispersed.
Critical support means you have to be critical. (edit: I should say think critically)
Chinese people know protestors died and even if they dont love that they generaly judge that the suppression was the correct call especially after dozens of PLA soldiers got murked mot just a couple. Yeah a couple hundreds of protestors,armed by that point, died as well , chinese people know that . So whats the issue and what is to be critical off? That China doesnt allow public posts celebrating or siding with the color revolution or that Chinese people simply dont care 1/10th as much as redditors ?
Can you bring it up online in China even if you side against the color revolution? Does that pan with "riots never happen here."
The issue is simply that keywords related to the event are filtered automatically. Like I'm not even saying it's 100% bad necessarily, just quipping how their censorship works. I can see why you all have a kneejerk reaction tho, considering the western media campaign against China.
Where are you reading about the protestors getting disposed? Why are you supporting western propaganda?
https://archives.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php
More lib friendly source for you:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/liu-xiaobo-chinese-dissident-persuaded-student-protesters-to-leave-tiananmen-square-20170714-gxb3g9.html
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g36621881/tiananmen-square-massacre-photos/?slide=10
http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
These are both faulty sources in the first place as they both claim a massacre occurred in the square itself when no such thing happened. The deaths that occurred were in battles in numerous different side streets where skirmishes occurred several miles apart.
A couple deaths did occur in the square -- unarmed officers sent to negotiate who were hung by protesters and burned alive. CW extreme images - https://i.imgur.com/mctpk8M.png https://i.imgur.com/mRkv7e4.png
You know it's funny when he says that we are sidestepping on answering whether people in China are allowed to talk about it or not when
- He assumed they aren't
- His whole argument is that they aren't better for criticizing the US which is weird to defend
- He didn't bother reading what I posted
- He already assumed that a massacre happened which he would know more about if he had bothered to read what I linked. From now on, I am not going to engage with bad faith redditors and simply call them western crackers.
I know that. Why are moving the goalposts to the square itself? Y'all are too defensive.
I just picked those sites for the photos.
How were they dispersed.
PLA soldiers turned off the lights, entered the square, turned on the lights, and then told everyone they were acceding to demands and request that they leave the square immediately. The protestors left while singing The Internationale and waving red flags, holding up pictures of Mao.
Why are all these civilians ducking for cover? Did this man's brain explode from singing the Internationale? https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g36621881/tiananmen-square-massacre-photos/?slide=10
You say you believe it was a color revolution yet you are acting contrary to that supposed belief. :soviet-hmm:
I said it was PARTLY a color revolution. There were many groups there for different reasons. Like people opposed to liberalization of the markets, and economic strife that could hurt a lot of Chinese people.
No nuance allowed huh. With us or against us. Gotta pretend like nobody got shot.
also the tiananmen square riot is public knowledge in china idk what the hell you r even going on about lmfao :PIGPOOPBALLS:
americans only ever learned about Tulsa from a SUPERHERO TV SHOW :hahaha:
Sure, they know what happened. The view is that the Party protected them from dangerous radicals who had no idea what they were going to do after their revolution. How were they planning on housing, clothing, caring for a billion people? None of them thought that far ahead.
Moreover they were just students, in Beijing. If you know anything about China you know that what happens in Beijing has nothing to do with the rest of China. It's like when that cop in Hong Kong shot several protesters, his commands to them before opening fire are so popular that they're on T-shirts and internet stickers.
I know all that already. My only point was that there aren't "never riots," and they can't bring that up online. On the whole, some censorship and repression is worth the better quality of life for Chinese people, I think.
what if instead of 'looking down' or 'looking up' it was 'give the west aid and guidance'?
my brothers in marx open a goddamn International Lenin School (or Mao if that fits better)
