When it comes to rapid domestic development and global ascendance, there is hardly any parallel to what China has achieved over the past decade. In a poll conducted by the Global Times Research Center in 2012, over half of foreign respondents viewed China as a
the people who "look down on the West" have increased to 41.7 percent
The criticisms of your behavior that you deflect and the fact that you're spreading Western chauvinism from clearly uncritically-accepted capitalist propaganda. You've clearly never even spoken to a Chinese person nor attempted to investigate this topic, but were happy to wade into this space of comrades that do both and start flinging shit and throwing tantrums when people try to engage with you.
For example, rather than actually engage with my in no way unique accusation that you're being chauvinist, you tried to look the term to in the dictionary to "own me", lol. I offered to explain it to you if you'd stop acting in bad faith, but alas you've doubled down on pretending that you're trolling me. Let me reiterate: I feel great. The only negative emotion I feel about this interaction is pity that you think you're a comrade and are very active here, yet act like this when confronted.
Fighting the capitalists isn't just memes and sarcasm, you have to shut the fuck up about shit you've never learned and go learn it or ask questions when people make themselves resources for you if you want to contribute. Otherwise, you will simply be disruptive and push us in liberal and reactionary directions and it would be better if you were not here. That behavior would be helpful to us if you brought it to some liberal party.
My condition was that you demonstrate good faith first. But I'll still help a little anyways: it's not my definition. We're in a socialist space, a commie space, full of ancoms and Marxists. There is a very long history of how this term is used in those movements and here.
I think US hegemony is by far much worse than China. I think the world would be much better with China taking a lead role, providing better alternatives like better financing(the debt trap stuff is a myth that really applies to the IMF) and the BRI. China has the best chance of spreading socialism around the world and progressing us toward communism.
That doesn't mean we have to turn of the critical part of our brains and act like there are never mistakes. I don't bad mouth China in liberal spaces like Reddit. In fact, they often call me a tankie on Reddit.
Is this your example of demonstrating good faith? Maybe I should be clearer: the impetus that made you deflect and pretend at trolling is the bad faith. The flinging of shit and then expecting everyone to correct you otherwise they are good targets of criticism is the bad faith. Are you going to stop doing that, and why should I believe you? Not being a consistent sinophobe or declaring critical support doesn't really address my concern. I have no faith that when I start explaining, you'll engage rather than dismiss and troll and deflect. You have to establish the trust that you've broken in this space. That is the lesson I think you need to learn the most.
I’ve read all the resources other people have provided (you still haven’t provided anything).
I don't believe you, at least you certainly only demonstrated ignorance and attempts at deflection when responding to others providing you with sources. Maybe you decided to read them later, maybe you skimmed them to see how to confirm your biases. But it's painfully obvious that you've never spoken to a Chinese person and aren't comprehending the condescension towards every Chinese person that you're spreading in ignorance.
I personally prefer to not offer resources to people acting in bad faith. They, like you, are actually in a mode of thinking that's about having a fight and "winning" rather than actually learning anything or building a shared understaffing, which is exemplified by your deflections and attempts at trolling every person who's tried to help you. Like you said, others already tried that and it obviously didn't work. You weren't receptive.
This is a good summary of the behavior: https://hexbear.net/post/206695/comment/2608679. I would further summarize it as flinging shit in ignorance and then demanding everyone disprove you, then acting like a baby when they try to meet your ridiculous expectations.
It’s not chauvinism to state facts like unarmed civilians were shot
You've already proven that you don't know what chauvinism is in this context, so this is an interesting and indirect form of lying. You don't know what I was saying, so you wouldn't be able to tell me whether this counts. You're not going to be able to critically engage with this topic until you stop treating it like a reddit fight.
Civilians were shot, though calling them "unarmed civilians" creates a misleading context, as we generally don't know what activities they were engaged in during the fighting, mostly in side streets. A teenager just walking home with groceries and someone part of a lynch mob can both be unarmed civilians, and both were present.
The only extent to which you've previously engaged on this claim, so far as I can tell, is with some garbage articles that can't even get basic facts right.
My verdict: this actually seems pretty in line with chauvinism, actually.
or China censors sensitive topics like what happened in 1989
Ah, how the goal posts move. Now it's just whether China has censorship regarding topics like this? Fucking lol. That's a far cry from your chauvinist pretense that Chinese people aren't allowed to talk about it, holy shit.
I’d much rather see US hegemony fall and China take the lead. You are just kneejerk reacting, making assumptions about me.
I'm correctly describing your bad faith behavior and recognizing, as others have, that it's some:reddit-logo: brain shit.
So was this your idea of demonstrating good faith or...?
No, you offered defenses of yourself that, I would guess, you think of as establishing common ground. That doesn't make me feel like you'll react in good faith, believe it or not.
Ah, and you've yet again avoided engaging with what I said to just be dismissive, lol. I quote you and engage at length with explanations and your brain goes, "hey fuck you why are you contradicting me?"
I've actually said what I want very clearly, it's in those comments above that you've ignored and deflected.
Do you see why I am not convinced by a self-defense / attempt to say where we have common ground? You haven't even recognized that you've been deflecting, trying to troll, trying to shift burdens, generally just acting like this is a fight you need to win rather than engage in any self-crit.
I can give you two examples of what it would look like to demonstrate good faith:
Do the actual self-crit of recognizing these shitty behaviors that many folks have pointed out. Self-evident behaviors you've avoided recognizing by doubling down on them. Saying that you're actually a good critical supporter who gets called tankie is saying, "I'm an ally, actually" even though I've already told you why your behavior means you're not a comrade. Something else you deflected, by the way.
Return to the topics from which you deflected and attempt to really engage. I think you made a struggle to do this by asking me what "my" definition of chauvinism was, but it was asked condescendingly so fuck man, what do you expect?
I'm describing the shit you did and things we've all seen among internet libs. If you do anything irl, I hope you don't act like this, and I hope you can do the self-crit needed to avoid this form of liberalism, which is fundamentally grounded in egos.
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The criticisms of your behavior that you deflect and the fact that you're spreading Western chauvinism from clearly uncritically-accepted capitalist propaganda. You've clearly never even spoken to a Chinese person nor attempted to investigate this topic, but were happy to wade into this space of comrades that do both and start flinging shit and throwing tantrums when people try to engage with you.
For example, rather than actually engage with my in no way unique accusation that you're being chauvinist, you tried to look the term to in the dictionary to "own me", lol. I offered to explain it to you if you'd stop acting in bad faith, but alas you've doubled down on pretending that you're trolling me. Let me reiterate: I feel great. The only negative emotion I feel about this interaction is pity that you think you're a comrade and are very active here, yet act like this when confronted.
Fighting the capitalists isn't just memes and sarcasm, you have to shut the fuck up about shit you've never learned and go learn it or ask questions when people make themselves resources for you if you want to contribute. Otherwise, you will simply be disruptive and push us in liberal and reactionary directions and it would be better if you were not here. That behavior would be helpful to us if you brought it to some liberal party.
Pray tell, what is your definition of chauvinist?
My condition was that you demonstrate good faith first. But I'll still help a little anyways: it's not my definition. We're in a socialist space, a commie space, full of ancoms and Marxists. There is a very long history of how this term is used in those movements and here.
How will you be demonstrating good faith?
I think US hegemony is by far much worse than China. I think the world would be much better with China taking a lead role, providing better alternatives like better financing(the debt trap stuff is a myth that really applies to the IMF) and the BRI. China has the best chance of spreading socialism around the world and progressing us toward communism.
That doesn't mean we have to turn of the critical part of our brains and act like there are never mistakes. I don't bad mouth China in liberal spaces like Reddit. In fact, they often call me a tankie on Reddit.
Is this your example of demonstrating good faith? Maybe I should be clearer: the impetus that made you deflect and pretend at trolling is the bad faith. The flinging of shit and then expecting everyone to correct you otherwise they are good targets of criticism is the bad faith. Are you going to stop doing that, and why should I believe you? Not being a consistent sinophobe or declaring critical support doesn't really address my concern. I have no faith that when I start explaining, you'll engage rather than dismiss and troll and deflect. You have to establish the trust that you've broken in this space. That is the lesson I think you need to learn the most.
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I don't believe you, at least you certainly only demonstrated ignorance and attempts at deflection when responding to others providing you with sources. Maybe you decided to read them later, maybe you skimmed them to see how to confirm your biases. But it's painfully obvious that you've never spoken to a Chinese person and aren't comprehending the condescension towards every Chinese person that you're spreading in ignorance.
I personally prefer to not offer resources to people acting in bad faith. They, like you, are actually in a mode of thinking that's about having a fight and "winning" rather than actually learning anything or building a shared understaffing, which is exemplified by your deflections and attempts at trolling every person who's tried to help you. Like you said, others already tried that and it obviously didn't work. You weren't receptive.
This is a good summary of the behavior: https://hexbear.net/post/206695/comment/2608679. I would further summarize it as flinging shit in ignorance and then demanding everyone disprove you, then acting like a baby when they try to meet your ridiculous expectations.
You've already proven that you don't know what chauvinism is in this context, so this is an interesting and indirect form of lying. You don't know what I was saying, so you wouldn't be able to tell me whether this counts. You're not going to be able to critically engage with this topic until you stop treating it like a reddit fight.
Civilians were shot, though calling them "unarmed civilians" creates a misleading context, as we generally don't know what activities they were engaged in during the fighting, mostly in side streets. A teenager just walking home with groceries and someone part of a lynch mob can both be unarmed civilians, and both were present.
The only extent to which you've previously engaged on this claim, so far as I can tell, is with some garbage articles that can't even get basic facts right.
My verdict: this actually seems pretty in line with chauvinism, actually.
Ah, how the goal posts move. Now it's just whether China has censorship regarding topics like this? Fucking lol. That's a far cry from your chauvinist pretense that Chinese people aren't allowed to talk about it, holy shit.
I'm correctly describing your bad faith behavior and recognizing, as others have, that it's some:reddit-logo: brain shit.
So was this your idea of demonstrating good faith or...?
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No, you offered defenses of yourself that, I would guess, you think of as establishing common ground. That doesn't make me feel like you'll react in good faith, believe it or not.
Ah, and you've yet again avoided engaging with what I said to just be dismissive, lol. I quote you and engage at length with explanations and your brain goes, "hey fuck you why are you contradicting me?"
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I've actually said what I want very clearly, it's in those comments above that you've ignored and deflected.
Do you see why I am not convinced by a self-defense / attempt to say where we have common ground? You haven't even recognized that you've been deflecting, trying to troll, trying to shift burdens, generally just acting like this is a fight you need to win rather than engage in any self-crit.
I can give you two examples of what it would look like to demonstrate good faith:
Do the actual self-crit of recognizing these shitty behaviors that many folks have pointed out. Self-evident behaviors you've avoided recognizing by doubling down on them. Saying that you're actually a good critical supporter who gets called tankie is saying, "I'm an ally, actually" even though I've already told you why your behavior means you're not a comrade. Something else you deflected, by the way.
Return to the topics from which you deflected and attempt to really engage. I think you made a struggle to do this by asking me what "my" definition of chauvinism was, but it was asked condescendingly so fuck man, what do you expect?
I'm describing the shit you did and things we've all seen among internet libs. If you do anything irl, I hope you don't act like this, and I hope you can do the self-crit needed to avoid this form of liberalism, which is fundamentally grounded in egos.
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