Blow my mind with some fringe shit that a lib would never even entertain, please, I'm bored

Death to America

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Assad was not behind the chemical weapons released in Ghouta Douma (I mixed them up in my memory I think) in 2013 2018. It's impossible to know for sure what happened, it could've been basically any faction for any number of reasons. But it seems highly unlikely that Assad would cross the one thing the US specifically said was a red line for intervention. Chemical weapons don't give enough of an advantage to take that risk. It's more likely that some faction did it in hopes of drawing the US into the war (or by the US itself). The media was very quick to equate doubts about whether the weapons were linked to Assad with denial of the presence of chemical weapons at all, and both were answered with the horrific images and what kind of monster would defend this and so forth. I remember hearing later, once everyone had forgotten about it, that there was an official report where the original version, which included input from people on the ground when it happened, was completely scrapped and nobody ever saw it, and a second report was put together in Washington with nobody on the ground involved, which was based entirely on the video evidence everyone saw, which just showed evidence that the sarin gas was present.

    I don't have any way to know or prove what happened, I just think the official narrative doesn't make any sense if you expect Assad to act in a remotely rational way as opposed to a cartoon villain. And I sound crazy for bringing it up because everyone's forgotten it even happened. Hexbear is basically the only place on the internet where I can ever mention it.

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Wasn't this basically confirmed when the relevant UN institution for investigating this silently recanted their initial statement? I don't think it's a conspiracy as much as it just got memory holed like a bunch of other similar shit.

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I wasn't aware of that part. I still kind of consider it a conspiracy because it goes against consensus reality and I can't prove it.

        I saw that the Wikipedia listed the perpetrator as, "Likely Assad," which is kinda funny. Like, make what you will of that lol.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          You (or SWIM) should edit that to "unknown", and link it to a relevant section (which probably exists) discussing the possible responsible parties.

    • ClathrateG [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Different incident a few years later https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/ but if that's faked all claimed are highly suspect to put it lightly

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Oh shit I think that's actually the one I was thinking of. I thought 2013 seemed too long ago for it but I have no concept of time anymore and the other one was the first that came up when I googled

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Agreed. The cost of using chemical weapons so wildly outweighs the benefits that I want a very, very high burden of proof that it actually happened, and more that it was a government actor using them.

    • Opposition [none/use name]
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      2 years ago
      1. Trump says no more war in Syria.

      2. McCain is outraged, flys to Syria immediately.

      3. Comes back a week later, after having met with rebels.

      4. Chemical weapon attack, very conveniently cancelling Trump's peace plan.

      5. Profit!