Speaking as a minority and vulnerable person is "using them as a cudgel" now, huh?
The original comment was implying that anyone who isn't part of an org is just doing it for "consumerism" if they want a gun. Which is patently false.
I don't think I'm safe, but I would be safer with a gun. Get it through your head that broadcasting the false idea that anyone in any set of circumstances is always going to be worse off with a gun than not IS discouraging vulnerable people for whom that is obviously not true. You can twist the "original argument" and shift goalposts all you want.
The idea that you’re influenced by the consumerism and gun culture inherent to this country is not patently false.
I never implied otherwise. At all. But it is still not because of consumerism that many individuals (regardless of whether they are in a community/org) correctly feel that they should have or get a gun. Many of whom probably don't even want a gun and are horrified and sickened to be in circumstances to need one.
I don't like guns. I don't have a gun. But I have been looking into getting one because it's getting increasingly dangerous to even exist. Not only is there nothing wrong with that, I think people who are in fact vulnerable should also consider it, now more than ever. Even if they are not fortunate enough to be part of a community. I of course would also encourage anyone to become part of a community if they can, even that it is much more important than getting a gun. But I understand that it's just not feasible or possible in some cases.
I would honestly be shocked if this were not the consensus on the left.
Speaking as a minority and vulnerable person is "using them as a cudgel" now, huh?
The original comment was implying that anyone who isn't part of an org is just doing it for "consumerism" if they want a gun. Which is patently false.
I don't think I'm safe, but I would be safer with a gun. Get it through your head that broadcasting the false idea that anyone in any set of circumstances is always going to be worse off with a gun than not IS discouraging vulnerable people for whom that is obviously not true. You can twist the "original argument" and shift goalposts all you want.
The idea that you're influenced by the consumerism and gun culture inherent to this country is not patently false.
And again you twist what the argument even is.
I never implied otherwise. At all. But it is still not because of consumerism that many individuals (regardless of whether they are in a community/org) correctly feel that they should have or get a gun. Many of whom probably don't even want a gun and are horrified and sickened to be in circumstances to need one.
I don't like guns. I don't have a gun. But I have been looking into getting one because it's getting increasingly dangerous to even exist. Not only is there nothing wrong with that, I think people who are in fact vulnerable should also consider it, now more than ever. Even if they are not fortunate enough to be part of a community. I of course would also encourage anyone to become part of a community if they can, even that it is much more important than getting a gun. But I understand that it's just not feasible or possible in some cases.
I would honestly be shocked if this were not the consensus on the left.