This is the pure ideology I'm talking about. "Unresolved conflicts"
"I really wanted to also control that territory" is not a conflict. I'm sorry you don't like the status quo. But they are geographically distinct, they exist under different governments. One China Policy was founded as a lie. If you want to be lied to, if you want to be pandered to like that, you are baby.
you mean chinese territory that the fascist losers of a still unresolved civil war against communists fled towards and the only reason they were allowed to exist and not lose completely was foreign intervention and imperialism by the US. If without imperial intervention and medling Taiwan ,a part of China before the revolution, would have been no different in being liberated and part of the PRC as any other part of China then it is its existance that is a historical lie and a colonial remnant
It honestly doesnt matter how you think things ought to be, this is how they are. Online poster FirstToServe thinks one china is bullshit? Cool, cool. Unfortunately nuclear power China that is 180km from Taiwan disagrees with you.
"It honestly doesn't matter how you think things ought to be" is literally my thesis here lmao
NuClEaR pOwEr ChiNA 180km from Taiwan isn't going to do shit. It doesn't matter what they think as long as they insist on this rhetorical lie that is OCP. Taiwan isn't theirs. They would have to fight a war to claim it, and that war would be the end of life on earth. So the status quo will remain.
If you think differently you're huffing ideology from a paint can.
“It honestly doesn’t matter how you think things ought to be” is literally my thesis here lmao
I dont think it is. If it is it’s incoherent. Your thesis mostly seems to be “im gonna pretend all these shitposters actually want nuclear war and get mad about it”
It doesn’t matter what they think as long as they insist on this rhetorical lie that is OCP
Who agrees with you? Redditors? You really think thay calling OCP a lie means the US can be as provocative as they want?
Like you’re out here saying were all huffing pure ideology because we think China is within its rights to tell the US to fuck off, meanwhile your reasoning is based on ignoring the status quo you’re so excited to maintain.
The very real effects of preventing the US from making Taiwan into a giant Okinawa military base a 100 miles of China's shores and completely and utterly controlling its politicial and economic actions. Which is what would happen within a decade of the OCP going away even if China was the most peacefull and friendly nation to the New Taiwan. Disagree with this?
And if you say " but but the sides can agree and sign that Taiwan will never host US bases or get into a military pact with them" then your brain is barely at the size of a reptile's . Especially looking at Nato's behavior and seeing that rn China is 10 times the priority post collapse Russia has been for the US and west and that the US
A generational civil war in which there has been no fighting. One country that has two geographically distinct regions controlled by two distinct governments.
Implicit in these statements are how they are lies.
Do I have to link articles in order to be arguing from a common understanding of reality? We do agree that China has been making military threats towards this trip, don't we?
Do we not agree on the basic facts of reality that this is a symbolic, diplomatic trip Pelosi is taking?
Do we not agree on the basic facts of reality that this is a symbolic, diplomatic trip Pelosi is taking?
And what this sympolic trip of an official congressional delegation that has no precedent after the 90s consensus symnolises but a clear move against that and away from the status quo(that is supported by the majority of taiwanese people) and a US initiated political and deplomatic kickstart of secessionist route for the Taiwanese issue. Thats kind of action from the US is what China has stated that might understandably lead to escelation with military measures not off the table, not a random meaningless visit of a senile reptile lady to Taiwan in a vacuum
“I really wanted to also control that territory” is not a conflict. I’m sorry you don’t like the status quo.
How about "the delusional losers who had to flee to a tiny island due to their own rampant corruption and ineptitude maintain a claim to all of my country, so I'm going to do the same right back."?
From what I can tell you're saying china should capitulate to avoid nuclear war. Should the US form joint military relationships with Taiwan military? Should they build bases in Taiwan? That is what's coming next. You're aware that the US basically sees Taiwan as an ideal forward operating base for a strike against China right?
:blob-no-thoughts: China and Taiwan are two totally independent countries with no unresolved conflicts
This is the pure ideology I'm talking about. "Unresolved conflicts"
"I really wanted to also control that territory" is not a conflict. I'm sorry you don't like the status quo. But they are geographically distinct, they exist under different governments. One China Policy was founded as a lie. If you want to be lied to, if you want to be pandered to like that, you are baby.
"that territory"
you mean chinese territory that the fascist losers of a still unresolved civil war against communists fled towards and the only reason they were allowed to exist and not lose completely was foreign intervention and imperialism by the US. If without imperial intervention and medling Taiwan ,a part of China before the revolution, would have been no different in being liberated and part of the PRC as any other part of China then it is its existance that is a historical lie and a colonial remnant
It honestly doesnt matter how you think things ought to be, this is how they are. Online poster FirstToServe thinks one china is bullshit? Cool, cool. Unfortunately nuclear power China that is 180km from Taiwan disagrees with you.
"It honestly doesn't matter how you think things ought to be" is literally my thesis here lmao
NuClEaR pOwEr ChiNA 180km from Taiwan isn't going to do shit. It doesn't matter what they think as long as they insist on this rhetorical lie that is OCP. Taiwan isn't theirs. They would have to fight a war to claim it, and that war would be the end of life on earth. So the status quo will remain.
If you think differently you're huffing ideology from a paint can.
I dont think it is. If it is it’s incoherent. Your thesis mostly seems to be “im gonna pretend all these shitposters actually want nuclear war and get mad about it”
Who agrees with you? Redditors? You really think thay calling OCP a lie means the US can be as provocative as they want?
Like you’re out here saying were all huffing pure ideology because we think China is within its rights to tell the US to fuck off, meanwhile your reasoning is based on ignoring the status quo you’re so excited to maintain.
I'm sorry... who do you think adjudicates what countries are and aren't allowed to do?
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Very real material effects on the world, such as [checks notes]
The very real effects of preventing the US from making Taiwan into a giant Okinawa military base a 100 miles of China's shores and completely and utterly controlling its politicial and economic actions. Which is what would happen within a decade of the OCP going away even if China was the most peacefull and friendly nation to the New Taiwan. Disagree with this?
And if you say " but but the sides can agree and sign that Taiwan will never host US bases or get into a military pact with them" then your brain is barely at the size of a reptile's . Especially looking at Nato's behavior and seeing that rn China is 10 times the priority post collapse Russia has been for the US and west and that the US
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they literally just fucking told you you fucking nerd
The unpopularity of my obviously true observations isn't going to change the world I'm referring to. It's just going to make me even more smug.
China isn't shooting shit but you're an absolute fucking moron for thinking they'd be the aggressors if they did, you fucking liberal
It does affect things like the UN and the diplomatic relationships between different countries and China or Taiwan
Yeah but it doesn't affect what sphere of influence Taiwan lies under. Doesn't change their role in US military procurement and strategy.
If you're talking about how Portugal's ambassadors couch language then you're missing the forest for the trees, wouldn't you say?
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A generational civil war in which there has been no fighting. One country that has two geographically distinct regions controlled by two distinct governments.
Implicit in these statements are how they are lies.
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I for one greatly prefer a paper war and see a meaningful distinction there.
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Do I have to link articles in order to be arguing from a common understanding of reality? We do agree that China has been making military threats towards this trip, don't we?
Do we not agree on the basic facts of reality that this is a symbolic, diplomatic trip Pelosi is taking?
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symbolic of what :blob-no-thoughts:
And what this sympolic trip of an official congressional delegation that has no precedent after the 90s consensus symnolises but a clear move against that and away from the status quo(that is supported by the majority of taiwanese people) and a US initiated political and deplomatic kickstart of secessionist route for the Taiwanese issue. Thats kind of action from the US is what China has stated that might understandably lead to escelation with military measures not off the table, not a random meaningless visit of a senile reptile lady to Taiwan in a vacuum
How about "the delusional losers who had to flee to a tiny island due to their own rampant corruption and ineptitude maintain a claim to all of my country, so I'm going to do the same right back."?
Oh okay nuclear war it is
From what I can tell you're saying china should capitulate to avoid nuclear war. Should the US form joint military relationships with Taiwan military? Should they build bases in Taiwan? That is what's coming next. You're aware that the US basically sees Taiwan as an ideal forward operating base for a strike against China right?
This framing is genuinely fucking unhinged. "Capitulation" as if this were a battle already. Over a diplomatic visit.
So what if 'what comes next' is what you say? You're saying we should pull the trigger on the apocalypse over a slippery slope?
Good. Death to America.