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  • RION [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Now, there are some sex workers who technically do own means of production

    What are the MoP in that case? A brothel?

    • TrashCompact [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      People who own brothels usually -- at least to my knowledge -- play a managerial role rather than directly engage in "sex work" in any recognizable use of the term. They are basically just a type of manager, salesperson, and, in grim cases, disciplinarian.

      What I was thinking of was independent porn stars who hire camera guys, other crew, and maybe editors. You get a lot of these at the top levels of OnlyFans. The MoP there, or so one might stipulate since there is going to be some variance, is likely to include sets, props, stage/filming equipment, and probably also the digital space with a cultivated following that it's uploaded to.

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        No OnlyFans definitely own that means of production although it's arguably more akin to a feudal economic relationship as without looking into it I'm going to assume OnlyFans takes a cut and will accept correction if that's wrong.

        that feudal relationship is basically because OnlyFans (the company) is a more sophisticated than usual pimp in their business model

        It is also worth noting that we are here talking about the extreme higher end of sex work and far and away not a representative sample of the level to which the industry as a whole relies on violence to control the worker’s bodies

        • TrashCompact [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          When I said "digital space" I didn't mean the app, but the channel itself. Of course, you are right that this is still inaccurate, as it's more accurate to describe it like a lordly relation with the company, but the other items remained and I think there needs to be a closer analysis of what the "fan community" is and means to write it off as 100% OnlyFans. I don't have the knowledge to do that analysis.

          You are right that this is the extreme high end, but I did note exactly that in my earlier comments. The overall statement I was making was that things like this are the exception and sex workers (prostitutes especially) tend to very clearly proletarian.

        • MtF_DOOM [she/her,they/them]
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          2 years ago

          that feudal relationship is basically because OnlyFans (the company) is a more sophisticated than usual pimp in their business model

          I don’t think a feudal relationship is a particularly relevant comparison. OF functions a lot more like a larger marketplace that rents out stalls for smaller shops on a commission basis.

          • Ideology [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            Basically not much different from itch.io or a paid Google Drive acct.

            • MtF_DOOM [she/her,they/them]
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              2 years ago

              Yup, exactly. Trying to describe OF as some kind of “digital feudalism” has extremely cringe white knight vibes