it's because they haven't read it

:matt-jokerfied:

no seriously, on the recent chapo episode with brace they went on this 10 minute rant about the book and then every admitted they had never read it

good stuff

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I think Matt had read it and didn't want to get into it. Sounded like his criticism might be that the thesis is probably right, but for organizing within the US you have to operate like it isn't.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      The thesis, as they state it, is that Americans can't organize a leftist front because they are Settlers.

      So the book becomes a tool for self-recrimination without any real call to action.

      That's certainly one interpretation. But the whole conversation is a meta-narrative about effective (or, in this case, ineffective) organizing and how "Read Settlers" seems to be a call that shuts down productive efforts and breeds naval gazing.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Sounded like his criticism might be that the thesis is probably right, but for organizing within the US you have to operate like it isn’t.

      Isn't this basically what :bernie: did with leftistism as whole in the USA, and while he succeeded at first, he ultimately failed because he wasn't prepared to take the conclusions any further. At some point, you have to explain further.

      • captcha [any]
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        2 years ago

        I wouldn't say that was Sander's problem because he smacked head-first into the fact the democratic primary system is almost exclusively for the affluent and college educated.

        Not saying he wouldn't have run into more obstacles, just saying he didn't even get far enough to draw such conclusions.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      operate like it isn't

      Yeah I've read parts of Settlers and that's where I'm at. I live in America, so organizing here is going to invovle white working class folk. That's unavoidable. I'm probably not going to sucessfully organize them initially on an innate mutual cause of ending oppression of the global south, rather I'm going to hope we can be guided in a way of ending imperialism while also advancing the working class everywhere. Sounds really difficult because it is. White folk here get distracted and pick up fascism like a toy.