The thing is that for a lot of people it is a symbol of the people, not the state. National identity is messy like that.
You can't explicitly reject the symbol that most people associate with being a symbol of themselves, that would just disconnect you from any kind of popularity with the people.
But at the same time, you don't have to celebrate that symbol when it's a symbol of the state, and you don't have to actively defend that state and everything it has stood for historically.
We can go back and forth on it I don't mind, I doubt we will disagree a huge amount. A big part of these responses leave out nuance due to necessity of keeping things readable and brief. When people tend to chat about these things at length it usually reveals that everyone involved agrees on the various complications and problems that required mixed approaches that conform to different settings.
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The thing is that for a lot of people it is a symbol of the people, not the state. National identity is messy like that.
You can't explicitly reject the symbol that most people associate with being a symbol of themselves, that would just disconnect you from any kind of popularity with the people.
But at the same time, you don't have to celebrate that symbol when it's a symbol of the state, and you don't have to actively defend that state and everything it has stood for historically.
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We can go back and forth on it I don't mind, I doubt we will disagree a huge amount. A big part of these responses leave out nuance due to necessity of keeping things readable and brief. When people tend to chat about these things at length it usually reveals that everyone involved agrees on the various complications and problems that required mixed approaches that conform to different settings.
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