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i know you're reading this assclown, get parenti's name out of your goddamn mouth you piece of shit
If you read Parenti and came away from his work with anything other than something similar to third worldism you must have stared blankly at the pages. You already understand that third worldism is incompatible with american patriotism.
Not a maoist but that's what happens when you don't really understand marxism-leninism.
Reading theory and applying the principles apparently just makes you spend hours a day shitposting on a fringe leftist forum.
you have literally been here way longer than i have too
Okay cool, just be warned that my webcam is broken and only points at my hog. I've tried to fix it :(
Parenti is a self-described patriot
how is he an american patriot?
Parenti has a book called "Superpatriotism"! Of course he's a patriot!
Before this post disappears
We are full of a sense of national pride, and for that very reason we particularly hate our slavish past (when the landed nobility led the peasants into war to stifle the freedom of Hungary, Poland, Persia and China), and our slavish present, when these selfsame landed proprietors, aided by the capitalists, are loading us into a war in order to throttle Poland and the Ukraine, crush the democratic movement in Persia and China, and strengthen the gang of Romanovs, Bobrinskys and Purishkeviches, who are a disgrace to our Great-Russian national dignity. Nobody is to be blamed for being born a slave; but a slave who not only eschews a striving for freedom but justifies and eulogises his slavery (e.g., calls the throttling of Poland and the Ukraine, etc., a “defence of the fatherland” of the Great Russians)—such a slave is a lickspittle and a boor, who arouses a legitimate feeling of indignation, contempt, and loathing.
Lenin calls you a lickspittle and a boor. :PIGPOOPBALLS:. Tells you explicitly not to eulogise the history of the US just as he told Russians explicitly not to do it in Russia.
Combat all national oppression? Yes, of course! Fight for any kind of national development, for “national culture” in general?—Of course not. The economic development of capitalist society presents us with examples of immature national movements all over the world, examples of the formation of big nations out of a number of small ones, or to the detriment of some of the small ones, and also examples of the assimilation of nations. The development of nationality in general is the principle of bourgeois nationalism; hence the exclusiveness of bourgeois nationalism, hence the endless national bickering. The proletariat, however, far from undertaking to uphold the national development of every nation, on the contrary, warns the masses against such illusions, stands for the fullest freedom of capitalist intercourse and welcomes every kind of assimilation of nations, except that which is founded on force or privilege.
Also Lenin, telling you explicitly not to be a patsoc dickhead. :PIGPOOPBALLS:
Marxism cannot be reconciled with nationalism, be it even of the “most just”, “purest”, most refined and civilised brand. In place of all forms of nationalism Marxism advances internationalism, the amalgamation of all nations in the higher unity, a unity that is growing before our eyes with every mile of railway line that is built, with every international trust, and every workers’ association that is formed (an association that is international in its economic activities as well as in its ideas and aims).
Fuck it I'll throw this one in there too from the same source.
This own goes so hard. Imagine Lenin calling you out personally 3 separate times a whole century before you were born. What level of liberalism do you have to be on to withstand this heat?
Terminator fan reboot, but its Lenin traveling forward into the future to own patsocs.
That's true but if you go ultra orthodox marxist to the full extent of left-com book worship you literally can't come out with anything other than being against the patsoc bullshit.
They explicitly fail to understand the difference in class-character between proletarian-nationalism and bourgeoise-nationalism. It's a fundamental part of their ideological distortion, they combine the two types of nationalism by omitting class analysis from national identity in order to distort writings into the position that they hold which is just bourgeoise-nationalism with socialist aesthetics. As soon as you correct this and properly apply class analysis to determine the class character of the nationalism being discussed their entire ideology falls apart. They rely entirely on ignoring class analysis of the nationalism in order to portray the nationalism with a proletarian class character vs the nationalism with a bourgeoise class character as one and the same.
The thing is that for a lot of people it is a symbol of the people, not the state. National identity is messy like that.
You can't explicitly reject the symbol that most people associate with being a symbol of themselves, that would just disconnect you from any kind of popularity with the people.
But at the same time, you don't have to celebrate that symbol when it's a symbol of the state, and you don't have to actively defend that state and everything it has stood for historically.
We can go back and forth on it I don't mind, I doubt we will disagree a huge amount. A big part of these responses leave out nuance due to necessity of keeping things readable and brief. When people tend to chat about these things at length it usually reveals that everyone involved agrees on the various complications and problems that required mixed approaches that conform to different settings.
Ye the patsoc dude is still going at it as of a few minutes ago
Oh no! You made a post about him, now he'll show up here too! :liberty-weeping:
Mods are quick on the draw. :stupidpol: :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-2:
:inconceivable: "You Fell Victim to one of the Classic Blunders!"
based hexbear mods. why is this “ML” still making accounts lol
Feels bad to see caleb maupin stan dipshits trying to claim our favourite angry anti-American third worldist dilf
We need a vanguard party to gatekeep these losers and not invite them to parties.
who is the guy in the :brace-cowboy: picture
and does anyone have the full size cowboy picture?https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/jgcig2/mehmet/
lol dam that one gets banned in seconds, but the one month old troll spamming me all morning is still kicking
At least I tore his ass up tho:shrug-outta-hecks:
I can make a much shorter sad story NGL. Here's some
Sale: Baby shoes, never worn. (Sad because baby die)
Sale: shoes, never worn. (It's sad because the person who bought it doesn't understand fashion trends and bought them too late)
Sale: shoes, worn (sad because the shoes are going to be smelly)
Sale: baby (sad because selling baby)
Baby (sad because you didn't expect it but now you have to care for baby).
the patsoc is still making new accounts
lmao why are they doing this on hexbear of all places
Parenti would occasionally use the word patriotism in a positive way, to refer to consideration for public well being and desire for national projects. He'd contrast that with what he called superpatriots, who were only concerned with issues of national pride and symbols without specific regard for the public. Smooth brained dorks have of course misinterpreted Parenti and believe he was giving broad endorsement all expressions of patriotism.
Yeah, but in the US we only have superpatriots, so they're just called patriots
said a few things you can construe that way, but hes also an uncompromising anti-imperialist and i've never seen anything in his work dismissive of other intersectional axes so he's really not a figure these people can legitimately adopt
I'll spell it out for you: He wasn't condemning their patriotism, he was supporting them against the imperialism of their states - instructing them on how to be better communists and mocking Hitlerite Germany for practicing phony, bourgeois nationalism instead of genuine internationalist nationalism. He was literally upholding the Japanese and German Communists' patriotism as good and saying that anti-imperialism is an expression of it. Here, from the same reading: "National consciousness, national self-respect and national self-confidence are not sufficiently developed among the broad masses, the majority of the people are unorganized, China's military power is weak, the economy is backward, the political system is undemocratic, corruption and pessimism exist, and a lack of unity and solidarity is to be found within the united front; these are among the adverse circumstances." Sound familiar? Hmmmm, now whom do we know who has a high national consciousness, national self-respect, and national self-confidence? Is it those dirty anglo reactionaries you hate so much?
Here's one we're all guilty of, just for fun: "As for people who are politically backward, Communists should not slight or despise them, but should befriend them, unite with them, convince them and encourage them to go forward." Working-class rightists are more connected than you are, they're more willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe in than you are, they have more integrity than you do when it comes to their politics, their numbers are MUCH greater than yours are, and their revolution will win before yours does so I suggest you try to win some of them over if you actually believe in any of the ideals you espouse whatsoever. Don't say I didn't warn you though.
For all of the people who bitch about MuH sEcTaRiAnIsM (Trotskyite dogwhistle) but then villify and otherize "PatSocs": "However, there are already enemy agents playing a disruptive role within our national united front, namely, the traitors, Trotskyites and pro-Japanese elements. Communists must always be on the look-out for them, expose their criminal activities with factual evidence and warn the people not to be duped by them."
He even condemns removed in the same. (Looking at you, woke groomer shitlibs)
Here he condemns liberal left-trender woke-ism: "Communists must never separate themselves from the majority of the people or neglect them by leading only a few progressive contingents in an isolated and rash advance, but must forge close links between the progressive elements and the broad masses." (The majority of people care about earning a living and protecting their families, not idpol trans exceptionalism which is exclusionary of all social conservatives [btw all socialist countries in history have been socially conservative.] Read this: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ --- Only monogamous, hetero relationships that produce children are proletarian [LGBT propaganda is reactionary and anti-communist, sorry leftoids])
"Complacency is the enemy of study. We cannot really learn anything until we rid ourselves of complacency. Our attitude towards ourselves should be "to be insatiable in learning" and towards others "to be tireless in teaching." Yeah, banning everyone with a divergent point of view is an excellent example of "tirelessness in teaching." (Actually, it's anti-communist and not at all dialectical.)
Just face it: Conservative, working-class rightists have way more in common with Mao Tse-Tung and other ML leaders than edgy, libshit, woke-ist left-trenders. You people are very out of touch with working class sentiment and working class politics.
It's a real cowardly sjw move to one-sidedly talk a bunch of dumb shit and misrepresent people's ideas after banning them so they can't correct you. Your echo chamber reeks but you libtard clowns can't stop sniffing your own farts. Seriously, open a window and go touch grass. Y'all are a bunch of feds who choose liberal idpol over class consciousness. Lifetime L
tldr: leftoid shitlibs are chuds
