I hotly contest the idea that the Nazis lost. They got the ethnic cleansing they desired, the big industrialists all got off scot-free then got filthy fucking rich off the Marshall Plan, and most of the country's civil service and government was staffed by Nazis for decades after the war. All the Nazis lost was a bunch of working class labor that they just replaced with immigrants who are kept as a permanent underclass.
True, but not the big financial and business backers that benefited from the Nazi project of corporatism and privatization. Lots of indoctrinated soldiers died in fields in Eastern Europe, but the big businessmen, the judges, the cops, the teachers, they all did fine. Even most of the Nazis in politics did fine; The purge in the West only snipped off the tiniest number of high ranking Nazis. There were still 8 million living Nazi party members in Germany at the conclusion of the war.
True, they didn't get their lebensraum, and they didn't manage to kill all the Poles, but they didn't need it after the death of so many working class Nazis.
I take this position because I see clear parallels to the way the Confederacy "Lost the war but won the peace" in the United States.
Edited to replace "brainwashed" with "indoctrinated". Brainwashing was made up by the US to explain why captured US soldiers in Korea were critical of the US and supportive of the DPRK.
not being punished is not the same as 'winning the peace' like in US. the US fought a war over slavery and ended up keeping the institution & most of its victims immiserated.
the Nazi ideological project explicitly failed. even in west germany. profiteers kept money, genociders escaped punishment--but the central axes of Nazism, the extermination of minorities, defeat of communism, expansion of the german state, utter abject failure.
we've got to take some pride in that, and never stop reminding their ideological descendants they were brought low by the people they consider less than themselves. :cat-com:
The Soviet Union did end up being destroyed, they didcarry out lbensraum (look at eastern Europe now and how many people are migrant laborers), and Germany is stil the most powerful European country (and the entire population of The West supports the same faxcistix white supremacy as ever).
nazis didn’t dismantle the Soviet Union, the liberals did
That doesn't seem very accurate if you actually look at who was on the ground and behind a lot of the color revolutions. The "liberal" aspect of it was partially a facade.
I hotly contest the idea that the Nazis lost. They got the ethnic cleansing they desired, the big industrialists all got off scot-free then got filthy fucking rich off the Marshall Plan, and most of the country's civil service and government was staffed by Nazis for decades after the war. All the Nazis lost was a bunch of working class labor that they just replaced with immigrants who are kept as a permanent underclass.
idk an awful lot of them ended up in :pit: and they delivered half of europe into the arms of socialism
True, but not the big financial and business backers that benefited from the Nazi project of corporatism and privatization. Lots of indoctrinated soldiers died in fields in Eastern Europe, but the big businessmen, the judges, the cops, the teachers, they all did fine. Even most of the Nazis in politics did fine; The purge in the West only snipped off the tiniest number of high ranking Nazis. There were still 8 million living Nazi party members in Germany at the conclusion of the war.
True, they didn't get their lebensraum, and they didn't manage to kill all the Poles, but they didn't need it after the death of so many working class Nazis.
I take this position because I see clear parallels to the way the Confederacy "Lost the war but won the peace" in the United States.
Edited to replace "brainwashed" with "indoctrinated". Brainwashing was made up by the US to explain why captured US soldiers in Korea were critical of the US and supportive of the DPRK.
not being punished is not the same as 'winning the peace' like in US. the US fought a war over slavery and ended up keeping the institution & most of its victims immiserated.
the Nazi ideological project explicitly failed. even in west germany. profiteers kept money, genociders escaped punishment--but the central axes of Nazism, the extermination of minorities, defeat of communism, expansion of the german state, utter abject failure.
we've got to take some pride in that, and never stop reminding their ideological descendants they were brought low by the people they consider less than themselves. :cat-com:
:chad-stalin:
The Soviet Union did end up being destroyed, they didcarry out lbensraum (look at eastern Europe now and how many people are migrant laborers), and Germany is stil the most powerful European country (and the entire population of The West supports the same faxcistix white supremacy as ever).
no. just no.
and the nazis didn't dismantle the Soviet Union, the liberals did :ooooooooooooooh: so its still a nazi failure
most powerful yankee puppet is a very far cry from rulers of europe & beyond, that's also still a nazi failure
That doesn't seem very accurate if you actually look at who was on the ground and behind a lot of the color revolutions. The "liberal" aspect of it was partially a facade.
They lost all territorial expansion and their leader killed himself in a bunker knowing Stalin would beat him to death otherwise.