https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/1559199186834186241

  • TheBazblue [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Best part of this whole thread is when he says “Actually pretty much everyone has eaten with a war criminal and to not understand this is to be historically ignorant” and then it turns out this is definitely more so because his dad was CIA and he works at Yale. So yeah turns out when you’re upper class and swimming in NATO infested waters you meet a lot of people with interesting opinions!

      • hostilearchitecture [any]
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        2 years ago

        Count me out, I've eaten with former US armed forces personnel who performed work on its behalf post-WW2.

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        a lot of us had grandfathers who were in wwii and the US managed to do some shady shit even the one time they were the good guys

        and then there's the extremely high chance of warcrimes if it was korea or viet nam, or a younger relative in a more recent war

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          True, didn't mean to exempt the people you're talking about. I was thinking more of how this guy hangs around with CIA/Yale type of criminals/ghouls which isn't the same experience as most people.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 years ago

        If you're American and you've eaten with a relative who served in the armed forces you probably have. I know I have, but it's not something I did cause I wanted to

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I think you underestimate how many Americans have, in fact, dined with a war criminal. My ex’s uncle dropped fucking agent orange on top of who the fuck knows what other atrocities.

        If you’ve ever seen one of those “Vietnam Veteran” hats you’ve walked past a war criminal.

      • Gamer_time [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Nazi Arming and Training Organization

        Really, just a lot of Nazism.

    • TrashCompact [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      He's written some really awful replies. IMO this one stands out: https://twitter.com/jasonintrator/status/1559246706235121664?cxt=HHwWgIC9pcenx6MrAAAA

      And of course you have reactionary fuckers in the replies talking about how the "mob" doesn't understand "nuance" in the context of these people wanting to kill black folk.

      • TheBazblue [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Oh yeah huge smug asshole on top of it, and it’s pretty clear he was angling for this reaction too for a new article. Never get high off your own article supply folks. Very good indicator for the future when smug liberal assholes who write books called like “Fascism; Served with a Smile and a Piece of American Pie” nobody reads are now angling for conservative culture war bullshit. My favorite reply was definitely “Oh you might call me a little piggy pain sucker, but HAVE YOU written articles?!”

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The only way I'm having a polite dinner with a former member of the SS is if I get to prepare the food.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      after losing?

      I hotly contest the idea that the Nazis lost. They got the ethnic cleansing they desired, the big industrialists all got off scot-free then got filthy fucking rich off the Marshall Plan, and most of the country's civil service and government was staffed by Nazis for decades after the war. All the Nazis lost was a bunch of working class labor that they just replaced with immigrants who are kept as a permanent underclass.

      • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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        2 years ago

        idk an awful lot of them ended up in :pit: and they delivered half of europe into the arms of socialism

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          True, but not the big financial and business backers that benefited from the Nazi project of corporatism and privatization. Lots of indoctrinated soldiers died in fields in Eastern Europe, but the big businessmen, the judges, the cops, the teachers, they all did fine. Even most of the Nazis in politics did fine; The purge in the West only snipped off the tiniest number of high ranking Nazis. There were still 8 million living Nazi party members in Germany at the conclusion of the war.

          True, they didn't get their lebensraum, and they didn't manage to kill all the Poles, but they didn't need it after the death of so many working class Nazis.

          I take this position because I see clear parallels to the way the Confederacy "Lost the war but won the peace" in the United States.

          Edited to replace "brainwashed" with "indoctrinated". Brainwashing was made up by the US to explain why captured US soldiers in Korea were critical of the US and supportive of the DPRK.

          • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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            2 years ago

            not being punished is not the same as 'winning the peace' like in US. the US fought a war over slavery and ended up keeping the institution & most of its victims immiserated.

            the Nazi ideological project explicitly failed. even in west germany. profiteers kept money, genociders escaped punishment--but the central axes of Nazism, the extermination of minorities, defeat of communism, expansion of the german state, utter abject failure.

            we've got to take some pride in that, and never stop reminding their ideological descendants they were brought low by the people they consider less than themselves. :cat-com:

            • blobjim [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              The Soviet Union did end up being destroyed, they didcarry out lbensraum (look at eastern Europe now and how many people are migrant laborers), and Germany is stil the most powerful European country (and the entire population of The West supports the same faxcistix white supremacy as ever).

              • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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                2 years ago

                didcarry out lbensraum

                no. just no.

                and the nazis didn't dismantle the Soviet Union, the liberals did :ooooooooooooooh: so its still a nazi failure

                most powerful yankee puppet is a very far cry from rulers of europe & beyond, that's also still a nazi failure

                • blobjim [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  nazis didn’t dismantle the Soviet Union, the liberals did

                  That doesn't seem very accurate if you actually look at who was on the ground and behind a lot of the color revolutions. The "liberal" aspect of it was partially a facade.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 years ago

        They lost all territorial expansion and their leader killed himself in a bunker knowing Stalin would beat him to death otherwise.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      That flows so well that it's like :kelly: doing a fusion dance with :fash-bash:

  • JamesConeZone [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Precisely why Stalin shouldn't have stopped at Berlin, just encapsulated so perfectly

  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Say what you will about Hannibal Lecter, but his table manners were impeccable and the liver with fava beans was delicious.

  • Heaven_and_Earth [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    This is extra ironic because this dude is a philosophy professor who wrote books about the importance of anti-fascism.

  • LeninsRage [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't understand what it is about social media that compels these people to tell on themselves

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I think people have always been like this but Social Media just gives them an audience big enough to embarrass themselves.

  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Huh....yeah I can see sitting down to a polite meal with a member of the Waffen SS who served on the Eastern front. I'd get popcorn and he can have the noose goose.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    What's that German saying about a table with ten people but one of them is a Nazi?

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Path of Exile lol I talk about it here a lot since I deleted my Reddit account.

        • ElGosso [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I mean you do kill a lot of slavers in that game but I'm not philosophically literate enough to understand if it's trying to make a coherent statement about anything, maybe some Nietzschean will to power stuff.

          • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Eh, it's a little bothsidesey because the slave rebellion becomes corrupted by a ravenous god that turns most of the rebels into cannibals. I don't know if there really is any coherent reading you could make of the game's storyline. I don't know every little detail about the lore but I'm pretty familiar with the narrative of the game and I can't make heads or tails of it politically.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Plains of Eidolon is pretty neat. I love chasing Kuakas around with the tranq rifle.