if you have a “socialist” group thats just a bunch of cishet yt dudes, they wont get much done bc they will tend to uphold institutions that benefit them
Gonna second this one based on personal experience. A lot of people will legitimately regress in their class consciousness in order to defend some sense of pride over their ingroup. Like people who were fully on board with labor action torpedoing shit because of The Gay Agenda or Performative Wokeness. They’ll take a look at a labor union in its infancy and literally go side with management when they start union busting. Like if I tell you, “management is gonna start trying to find wedge issues and one of those is gonna be to get you to throw Anon under the bus,” in no fucking circumstance should your response to be to immediately comply with management.
The flip side of this is that there are people who do have super bigoted beliefs but have the sense to hold their fucking tongue and not act like a puppet on a string the minute someone says one of the conservative culture war trigger words. This always kills me when stupidpol types are ranting about how you have to organize with bigots. You know what? Yeah, you do. And you know what that involves? Getting them to shut the fuck up about that bigotry. And generally as a result they become less bigoted because organizing is about building relationships and getting closer to people is the number 1 way to undo bigoted beliefs
good point, some of those we organize with hold reactionary ideas in their heads. doesnt mean we have to let them air out those ideas. if they are offended by us pushing back against their bigotry they can leave the movement. we dont need people who spread ideas that uphold capital and its institutions in our ranks. for every openly bigoted person we associate with, we alienate many times more marginalized people. they can shut up about their culture war hangups or get out. we support black, indigenous, womens', gay, trans, etc. liberation, no exceptions
Gonna second this one based on personal experience. A lot of people will legitimately regress in their class consciousness in order to defend some sense of pride over their ingroup. Like people who were fully on board with labor action torpedoing shit because of The Gay Agenda or Performative Wokeness. They’ll take a look at a labor union in its infancy and literally go side with management when they start union busting. Like if I tell you, “management is gonna start trying to find wedge issues and one of those is gonna be to get you to throw Anon under the bus,” in no fucking circumstance should your response to be to immediately comply with management.
The flip side of this is that there are people who do have super bigoted beliefs but have the sense to hold their fucking tongue and not act like a puppet on a string the minute someone says one of the conservative culture war trigger words. This always kills me when stupidpol types are ranting about how you have to organize with bigots. You know what? Yeah, you do. And you know what that involves? Getting them to shut the fuck up about that bigotry. And generally as a result they become less bigoted because organizing is about building relationships and getting closer to people is the number 1 way to undo bigoted beliefs
good point, some of those we organize with hold reactionary ideas in their heads. doesnt mean we have to let them air out those ideas. if they are offended by us pushing back against their bigotry they can leave the movement. we dont need people who spread ideas that uphold capital and its institutions in our ranks. for every openly bigoted person we associate with, we alienate many times more marginalized people. they can shut up about their culture war hangups or get out. we support black, indigenous, womens', gay, trans, etc. liberation, no exceptions