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at the end of the roman empire, death cults appeared on the fringes of society. these death cults frequently preached heretical libel against political figures and gods
I mean that somewhat describes Christianity with all they talk about human sarifice (self sacrifice but while you're alive as in living your life in the service of others which obviously almost none of them actually do) and figurative dying and being reborn
There’s a reason the Romans weren’t super keen on having a bunch of Christians running around
yeah but you can't solve martyrdom religious growth with murder and Rome never had a second idea after they thought of solving problems with murder
They did try saying “Please just say you’re not a Christian and then we can let you go and not murder you” but Christians have always been allergic to shutting the fuck up
it's against the Christian religious belief to deny that they hold it. You might as well ask why Muslims targetted by the Spanish inquisition didn't just eat pork so they would be let go
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If I was Muslim in inquisition era Spain and the inquisition said “We’re going to murder you if you don’t eat this ham sandwich” I would absolutely eat the sandwich.
This is mostly based on the fact that when I was Christian if someone had said they were gonna murder me if I didn’t deny I’m Christian I wouldn’t have hesitated.
Obviously that doesn’t make the person giving threats okay but when given the choice between a relatively small sin against your religion and being violently murdered, most people pick the first one.
loads of people didn't though and they didn't not because they didn't understand that being killed was bad but because they didn't accept that armed men could tell them not to practice their religion
Exactly. And in addition... A person might easily say "yeah, I'd lie about my beliefs to save my hide!" But when the opposition forces it to be a matter of your very being and culture, when they force it to be a rejection of all the traditions you associate with your family, your very culture... It becomes a lot more understandable to be willing to die in defense of it.
Just do it when theyre not looking or so.ething
The Communists (Christians) disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social (and religious) conditions.
Muslims are more flexible in that regard
fair enough but there are issues they have stuck to their guns on
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/oct/07/paellas-dark-role-in-the-spanish-inquisition
Sure they did
Martyrs don't mean much if the people who'd remember them join them in the lion pit :think-about-it:
yeah they could have just done extra murder and it would have worked
you can't half ass it mostly
The Romans literally were Christians after about 200 ad.
Which is why they sucked
“Self-sacrifice enables us to sacrifice other people without blushing.” and all that
I've seen this posted but what is the source for it. Sounds interesting
I think it's bad history. The Western Roman Empire was Catholic for about 500 years before it fell (the ERE Orthodox), and the "fall" was a slow dissolution of the central Imperial authority and its replacement by the existing systems of patronage evolving into fuedal contracts, not some cataclysmic event.
Cults, including what could be called "death" cults, were a constant throughout Roman society, not a sudden appearance that hailed the end times. They might have been more common in and around certain cataclysmic events, like plagues and invasions, as a societal coping mechanism, but that's just speculation.