the "parapsychology" thread got nuked but the discussion reminded me of a Return of the Repressed podcast episode I had listened to in December

it was a Q&A episode and in his typical style, the host Marcus went deep on a question posed by fan/collaborator Reid (@seriations on twitter) regarding the role of magical-religious (i.e. non-materialist) beliefs in proletarian revolution. We're all familiar with the ways the bourgeoisie promote and exploit these sorts of beliefs to their own ends (ex. Filipino aswang vampire psyops vs the Huk guerillas, Indonesian anticommunist "witch hunting" vs Gerwani feminists, Operation Wandering Soul trying to freak out Vietcong with "ghosts", etc etc etc, up to Qanon and the UFO-cult of today) -- and of course, how their own worldviews are often propped up by these sorts of beliefs (ex. social hierarchies are in fact justified by genetic blood-destiny) -- but what about the inverse? How might we use them, too?

(note with respect to the aforementioned "parapsychology" thread, this is not a question of whether some such belief might be substantiated, proven "real" or not, but rather of strategy)

Marcus explained his first intuition was to look at the history of accusations of vampirism lobbed at feudal European aristocracy (ex. Elizabeth Bathory), but abandoned this line of inquiry when his research suggested that these accusations actually tended to reflect intra-class conflict between rulers/institutions of the time, i.e. factional power jockeying.

Changing tack, Marcus then offers a long exploration of the contentious historical relationship between Chinese secret societies, magical-religious beliefs, martial arts, and rebellion.

To anyone curious about how these things might intersect (short version: it gets messy), I would recommend the episode and I'll drop some other related links below

https://podbay.fm/p/the-return-of-the-repressed/e/1703245745

SHOW NOTES

In these dark times its difficult to find reason for making believe, this will all change once you hit play. Answering Reid for almost two hours I will do my outmost to lift you spirits to unknown heights. Counterintuitively by taking a deep dive in to Chinese secret societies, covering thousands of years, culminating in a communist community exorcism by the black and red Dao.

We are talking apotropaic magic, the swallowing of protective charms, anti-fascist Kung Fu fighting, mystic mind-control and brain washing in the Tang dynasty, social tech of the Henan peasantry and the socialist Shaolin monks who would liberate Beijing from the compradors, the war and drug lords as well as imperialist invaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lanterns_(Boxer_Uprising)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Spear_Society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Spears%27_uprising_in_Shandong_(1928%E2%80%931929)

➡️ The Red Spears, 1916–1949 Tai Hsüan-chih translated by Ronald Suleski https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.3998/mpub.19970

➡️ The Red Spears Reconsidered: An Introduction Elizabeth J. Perry https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/166/oa_edited_volume/chapter/2707255

➡️ Secret Societies Reconsidered: Perspectives on the Social History of Early Modern South China and Southeast Asia: Perspectives on the Social History of Early Modern South China and Southeast Asia by David Ownby (Author), Mary F. Somers Heidhues (Author) https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/edit/10.4324/9781315288055/secret-societies-reconsidered-perspectives-social-history-early-modern-south-china-southeast-asia-mary-somers-heidhues-david-ownby

➡️ "Secret Societies" Reconsidered: Perspectives on the Social History of Early Modern South China and Southeast Asia (review) Scott Lowe https://muse.jhu.edu/article/396407/pdf

  • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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    7 months ago

    people, including yourself, literally don't exist as conscious beings, and are merely flesh-robots deterministically reacting to their environment according to physical rules. anyone's perceptions of pain, or literally anything else, are nonexistent.

    If we're all just quantum interactions inevitably leading to the appearance of consciousness, that still makes us real. Whatever we think, even if there is no truly free willed "consciousness" powering it, those thoughts are still happening. They are physical processes that can be measured and have an observable effect on the universe. Even if it's because of particle interactions preordained since the big bang, we still feel the pain. There might ultimately be no point to our existence and no real choices that we can make, but that only makes our choices illusory, not our experiences. There is still a point to improving your quality of life, and it's simply that you like that. There is a point to improving other's quality of life, and it's simply that they like that. You may not have ever truly had a choice about it, but those processes definitely still happen. You can declare that it's all pointless because you were destined to never do anything, or you can loudly declare that it was preordained by the natural processes of the universe when people ask why you're sticking googly eyes on all the door handles.
    It's honestly weird that we always talk about people being a product of their conditions but as soon as it comes to metaphysics people start going "but what if we're special and not really a product of our conditions".