A young Iranian woman who fell into a coma after being arrested in Tehran by the notorious morality police died on Friday, state media and her family said, with activists urging those responsible for her "suspicious" death be brought to justice.
:burning cop car emote:
Idk kinda looks like a george floyd moment in Iran
Half the people I work with are Persian and have been talking about this all day for the last 2 or 3 days or so. They’re extremely pissed. There’s a bit of a selection bias since most of the Iranians I interact with are already in the us but from their pov quite a lot of people are pretty anti govt bc of material conditions (a lot of poverty for a lot of people there) and the oppressive religious stuff. I think it’s likely this is an inciting incident to a homegrown thing. Not saying it’s not possible foreign actors couldn’t take advantage of the situation, but it seems like alot of zoomer Iranians in particular are pretty against the treatment of women and seeing this as a protest against that in particular
Nobody seems to have touched her. Western “Persians” are biased and cannot speak on events happening in Iran with accuracy, as they are evidently just repeating the western story with contradicting evidence
Are we really just repeating gusano vibes as facts here?
At no point did I insinuate any of this was “facts” I literally mentioned it was their pov and mentioned the selection bias to make a point of not suggesting that their perspective on it was sacrosanct.
Take the confrontational tone down a notch until you sort out your reading comprehension please. I’m more than happy to hear any other perspective or info you have on the subject, this is what I’ve had thus far and i was simply relaying that conversationally not pushing a narrative
Westoids often initially fall into moralizing anti-Iran and pro-imperialist narratives, sometimes due to repeating the narratives of ex-Iranians with a grudge and agenda.
Like why are people in this thread repeating as fact that she was beaten to death by Iranian police when there is no evidence of that, and evidence actually seems to show the opposite? Why are they so quick to assume a position of idealistic “I’m morally superior to the savage” and involve themselves in an imperialist intrigue and the affairs of others without even evidence of wrongdoing?
I mean where I’m at on it is this is that was what people around me were talking about. I see that she collapsed, im interested in knowing if she was brutalized during the arrest, which to my knowledge hasn’t been released. At best, regardless of the situation between the west and Iran, there is observably a good amount of police brutality involved in this situation, and before which is not good.
Any leftists support of Iran should be pretty critical. It’s not right for them to be imperialised and I think they should sort out their own issues, but they’re not a socialist country they’re a theocracy with tons of issues.
I would say to stick to criticizing what you know, because as soon as you try to do “socialist” criticism of the enemies of your state it’s all just narrative manufacturing of consent, it’s just trot shit. You don’t have any power over Iranian politics, the only way a westerner could possibly affect the situation is to throw in with the imperialist bloodthirsty mob and push to breach their sovereignty. It becomes clear when people try to do “critical support” but their critiques are not based in knowledge of the culture and contexts, and you get things like this… western leftists attacking Iran over a made up event of police brutality that they have no business being involved in, right as Iran is mobilizing to assist Armenia and defend against the western-backed Azeris.
Half the people I work with are Persian and have been talking about this all day for the last 2 or 3 days or so. They’re extremely pissed. There’s a bit of a selection bias since most of the Iranians I interact with are already in the us but from their pov quite a lot of people are pretty anti govt bc of material conditions (a lot of poverty for a lot of people there) and the oppressive religious stuff. I think it’s likely this is an inciting incident to a homegrown thing. Not saying it’s not possible foreign actors couldn’t take advantage of the situation, but it seems like alot of zoomer Iranians in particular are pretty against the treatment of women and seeing this as a protest against that in particular
CW: Death
https://twitter.com/presstv/status/1571443011816415232?s=46&t=vrblq8WEnUVQSbGilsPb1Q
Nobody seems to have touched her. Western “Persians” are biased and cannot speak on events happening in Iran with accuracy, as they are evidently just repeating the western story with contradicting evidence
Are we really just repeating gusano vibes as facts here?
At no point did I insinuate any of this was “facts” I literally mentioned it was their pov and mentioned the selection bias to make a point of not suggesting that their perspective on it was sacrosanct.
Take the confrontational tone down a notch until you sort out your reading comprehension please. I’m more than happy to hear any other perspective or info you have on the subject, this is what I’ve had thus far and i was simply relaying that conversationally not pushing a narrative
:shrug-outta-hecks:
Westoids often initially fall into moralizing anti-Iran and pro-imperialist narratives, sometimes due to repeating the narratives of ex-Iranians with a grudge and agenda.
Like why are people in this thread repeating as fact that she was beaten to death by Iranian police when there is no evidence of that, and evidence actually seems to show the opposite? Why are they so quick to assume a position of idealistic “I’m morally superior to the savage” and involve themselves in an imperialist intrigue and the affairs of others without even evidence of wrongdoing?
I mean where I’m at on it is this is that was what people around me were talking about. I see that she collapsed, im interested in knowing if she was brutalized during the arrest, which to my knowledge hasn’t been released. At best, regardless of the situation between the west and Iran, there is observably a good amount of police brutality involved in this situation, and before which is not good.
Any leftists support of Iran should be pretty critical. It’s not right for them to be imperialised and I think they should sort out their own issues, but they’re not a socialist country they’re a theocracy with tons of issues.
I would say to stick to criticizing what you know, because as soon as you try to do “socialist” criticism of the enemies of your state it’s all just narrative manufacturing of consent, it’s just trot shit. You don’t have any power over Iranian politics, the only way a westerner could possibly affect the situation is to throw in with the imperialist bloodthirsty mob and push to breach their sovereignty. It becomes clear when people try to do “critical support” but their critiques are not based in knowledge of the culture and contexts, and you get things like this… western leftists attacking Iran over a made up event of police brutality that they have no business being involved in, right as Iran is mobilizing to assist Armenia and defend against the western-backed Azeris.