:hmm

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Yeah this map is really misleading. A lot of the green countries simply have national subsidized insurance plans or have plans where the state pays a majority of the cost, like in Japan where it's a 70/30 split if the patient has insurance. Mexico is there in green as "free and universal health care" but that's not true. Mexico has public and private options. The public option is subdizied healthcare costs based on employment status and income. It's not free at the point of service in all cases. New Zealand's system also isn't entirely free, citizens there need a referral from a general practitioner to qualify for a publicly funded option. Specialist care and certain medications have copayments, which are low compared to places like the USA, but not free.

    Cuba for instance does have a healthcare system like what's suggested. Free and universal at the point of service. No money required on the part of the patient. Algeria and Ecuador are also correct off the top of my head.

    I hate to say it but the USA being red is also misleading. America has free healthcare, just not universal: medicare and the VA.

  • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    canada should have an asterisk, you still have to pay for ambulances, though from what i've heard it's like 30 CAD, not the 2 grand it is in yankee land

    • blashork [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It's worse than that, I don't know what the fuck this graph is on about. How can anyone call the system here universal? No free eyecare, dental care, or pharmacare. Better than the US, but certainly not universal. And with the legal assisted suicide, we've basically been pushing people to death instead of treatment. The only country that Ithink really meets free universal without caveat is Cuba.

      • huf [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        yeah, i bet luxury bone care is not covered in most of those countries. sure, they'll pull your aching tooth for free, but they wont do a normal filling and especially nothing beyond that.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Probably restricted by ethnicity, nationality, or some other category.m

      • edge [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Something a lot of countries use to seem more "progressive" than they are. Something neolibs use to say "we don't need a nationalized health system, just look at how Germany does it!" (this chart says Germany is both, but it's not).

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It means the national healthcare system doesn't cover everyone. I think for most of the map that means there are public and private options. Or maybe the system only covers people at a certain income level.

      Like I think in Vietnam there's only government sponsored healthcare for ethnic minorities and the extremely poor. Everyone else has a private, subsidized health insurance plan. So while healthcare can be free, it's not universal.

      Honestly I think this map is a little misleading because of that, because the USA does have programs like this. Medicare and the VA are free, but not universal. And a lot of these countries simply have a public option that may not cover all types of illnesses. Like Japan is there in green as "free and universal" but the way it works there is a 70/30 split where the state pays the majority of the cost and all citizens are legally obligated to buy into a private health insurance plan.

      This map could be done better

  • comi [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    China is not universal, just subsidized?

  • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Why is Switzerland green? Don't they have some kind of cursed private health insurance system?

    • huf [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      so does germany IIRC, but i think they're functionally similar to a real single payer, in that it's heavily govt regulated and you'll get treated no matter what and wont go into crippling medical debt.

      it's just some capitalist brainwormed implementation of state-run single-payer insurance.