Oh the Ai art generator has no "soul" and it's soy and reddit? This precious art form (illustrating things that other people pay you to, a medium dominated almost entirely by furries, porn, and furry porn) is being destroyed by the evil AI? I'm sorry that the democratization of art creation is so upsetting to you. I've brought dozens of ideas to life by typing words into a prompt and I didn't have to pay someone $300 to do so.

  • kristina [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Pretty convinced that all the people against this are hardcore reactionaries. Ah yes, technological progress, that thing every leftist should be against! :anprim-pat:

    Mechanized agriculture is putting so many serfs out of work, we must be against it! :kitty-cri-texas:

    • Dawn_Beveridge [she/her, comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, this thread is frustrating. Like of course all technology developed under capitalism is abused and weaponized against the working class, if only there was some ideological movement fighting to abolish private ownership of the means of production... 🤔

      Then you've got threads where people argue that art is subjective and there is no universal standard of judgement, but also AI art is intrinsically meaningless and lazy. You can always tell!!!!! If it's so worthless and empty then what threat does it pose to artists? (Also I swear I've heard that last rhetoric somewhere else, I can't quite put my finger on it... 🤔 )

      And how about it stealing from artists? Is this website about to become pro copyright law? If I wake a painting in the style of Van Gogh or Picasso, is that plagiarism? How about copying the style of thousands of artists? If I'm painting an apple and take inspiration from every painting of an apple ever, is that even stealing art anymore, or an I just copying the shared concept of an apple?

      • Hatandwatch [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I feel like the people carrying on about "experience" are just rehashing the "free will vs determinism" argument wrapped around art.

        I mean who cares if the simulation is creating its own simulation?

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        You can always tell

        Strong terf energy in those sorts of statements. :thinking-about-it: Its almost like its reactionary

        Certainly has no parallels to trans people being purposefully misunderstood and sidelined for being 'mockeries and fabrications' of 'true women'.

        • Dawn_Beveridge [she/her, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          YUP! Exactly. And I know it feels weird to compare real people to tech, but its such a reactionary tactic, both are extracted from some absurd puritanical values of what deserves to be """real""".

          • kristina [she/her]
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            Yeah, obviously. I'm trans myself and it does peak my ear when I hear someone saying familiar things. If anything, it shows those people are susceptible to reactionary arguments. Its also telling that a lot of what people are saying relies strongly on mystic terms like 'inspiration' and 'real'. TERFs see cis women through a mystical lens as well.

      • kristina [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        no, we’re just artists who have seen how tech is weaponized against us a million times already. art isn’t something that has to be commodified for it to be valued so your analogy about mechanized ag doesn’t really work here.

        The invention of the paint brush is incredible weaponization, the only way to make art is to throw poop at walls.

        • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          They're literally stating that the relationship between artists and capital is being fundamentally altered as a result of the introduction of automation which we've seen in countless sectors already where the benefits are not shared amongst the working class but are instead siphoned off by the rich. To state that paint brushes are somehow equivalent to the relationship of workers and capital and that we must throw shit at walls instead is incredibly bad faith.

          Your industrial agriculture example also ignores this fact that the problem is not inherently the technology, but the fact that the wealthy are taking any benefit that is gained while workers are left to starve.

          • kristina [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            I've already stated that holding the tech in common is important elsewhere. There are in fact open source versions of this tech, and everyone should use it.