• usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    people who just sub in the word zionist instead of Jewish people are just anti-semites who are slightly better at hiding it.

    there are criticisms of Isreal to make but if you're just repeating anti-Jew stuff and changing a label that is not cool

      • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I assure you there are people who when they say zionists do actually mean all Jews. It's not that hard to spot if someone is just saying all the old anti-Semitic tropes with a find and replace for a couple words.

        yes we can never be done with explaining but anti-semitism is dangerous and cannot be allowed to come up without being challenged and called out. A former anti-semite might be convertable but we should absolutely prioritise the safety of Jewish people in our spaces over them, similar to how you can convert a former incel (the ideology not being a virgin) but should prioritise leftist spaces being safe for women by challenging it whenever they say or do something out of order

        • hostilearchitecture [any]
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          2 years ago

          There is a self-defeating nature to call-out "culture". In real life communication at least. For instance, I've never once seen a unproblematic committed capitalist who has no real problems other than Trump's vulgarity converted successfully. Jewish or otherwise, those folks are a nonstarter. Some ignorant shithead though, who thinks humans have never been to the moon? Listens to Alex Jones or David Icke? Those people have nothing coherent to go off of, and they're a mix of so far gone that it's about as useless to try converting them as the libs, but about half the time they acquiesce to every economic argument of Marxism and can be deprogrammed to a large extent after just a couple hours of talking to them.

          And I'm not too concerned with some background CHUD thoughts in an otherwise economic ally. Whereas calling them out before education usually just shuts them down, their brain turns off. It's remarkable the extent to which people have been trained to jump down others' throats because they're ignorant. The ignorant are by far the easiest to convert, as long as you're a little patient.

          Not that it'll amount to anything in all likelihood, I'm sure economic conditions will only worsen and they'll either return to the comfort of racist explanations for that or they'll just become as despondent as anyone else faced with the reality of our current system.

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            you can call someone out gently by asking them for clarification on what they mean or even just comically yelling OH like the sopranos.

          • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            yes obviously we need to clarify the difference with anti-zionism and zionism is bad. Racism and Anti-Semitism can very much be active beliefs

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        By changing the wording you are making a conscious decision to separate the “bad jews” (aka zionists) from the “good jews”

        Nah, you're just dog whistling. And plenty of people, both zionists and non-zionist anti-semites, believe that 'zionists" means all Jewish people.