Edit: Resolution 001-1 passes 24-8
Note: this is an RPG/LARP thing that some of us are interested in messing around with. Original inspiration here: https://hexbear.net/post/226706
Summary
This resolution will establish provisional bylaws to establish the Hexbear People's Committee. The committee is tasked with developing the necessary structure to form a Party that will be capable of representing the territory of Hexbear.
The territory of Hexbear has a population of 21,491, currently only occupying virtual space. The ruling class is a "benevolent trust" that has some transparency, and is widely popular with the territory's population. However, there is a lack of democratic mechanisms in the territory, and a Party would be able to provide a forum and structure to ensure that the population has a strong and clear voice.
Actions
@hexbear_partisan, will chair the People's Committee and guide it through a series of pass or don't pass votes. Anyone with hexbear.net account is welcome to join and vote in committee discussions.
Votes will be cast using comment votes, with the Committee chair creating a "Pass" and "Don't Pass" comment on each resolution. In case of a "Don't Pass" vote, the resolution will be revised until a "Pass" majority can be achieved. A minimum of 5 votes is needed to pass a resolution.
Schedule
The following topics will need to be voted on and resolved before the Party can be incorporated:
- Party roles/positions
- How to appoint and recall Party roles/positions
- How a resolution is drafted and put up for a vote.
- How a resolution is voted on.
- How the Party canon is managed.
- Incorporating the above into a draft set of Party bylaws.
The current plan will be to have one day of initial discussion about a topic, after which the Committee Chair will draft a resolution which will be open for one day of voting. In general, one "discussion post" and one "resolution vote" post will happen in parallel. This schedule will change depending on offline requirements of the Committee leadership.
Provisional Code of Conduct
The committee takes its mission of representing the territory of Hexbear in earnest, and as such memes and jokes in Committee/Party related threads are not allowed. Any such topics including meta-discussions can happen elsewhere on the site.
Committee members are advised to address one another as "Comrade [name]" when replying to one another, as a matter of decorum.
Process
This post will serve as both the voting and discussion threads on the topic of creating a Peoples' Committee. Voting will conclude when this post is 12 hours old, at 05:00 UTC.
Vote: Pass
- The Hexbear People's Committee will be formed and tasked with incorporating a Party to democratically represent the territory of Hexbear.
- Comrade @hexbear_partisan will chair the People's Committee and be responsible for guiding votes on the topics above, although other topics may be added at their discretion before the Party is incorporated.
Upvote this comment to pass Committee Resolution 001-1.
Comrade @hexbear_partisan l believe this is a great endeavour and congratulate you on the successful passing of the first resolution. I look forward to your term as the Chairman.
To be clear, I am only accepting the position of Chairman of the Committee until a party structure has been developed. Thank you for your kind wishes.
Is it possible we might consider keeping the weird RP stuff to its own community? Hope everyone has fun and such but just a suggestion
I vote /c/th is the perfect dumping ground for this content until it grows to the point that it requires its own comm
I mean... it boosts visibility which is always good? Wonder if this'll ever come up as an issue in a later session, lol
EDIT: OK here's a proposal: upvoting both = neutral/abstain. That way:
- Everyone can be encouraged to vote even when they have no stance
- If neutral participants are welcome to vote, it encourages them to think more about their decision, possibly take a side (neutrals chill tho)
- Visibility for the posts, ofc
I am once again asking you to sort your Hexbear People’s Committee resolution comments by New
Edit: maybe the proposals should be in a single comment in which the only replies are a Pass comment and a Don’t Pass comment. That way one doesn’t get buried while the other ends up at the time. It’s already biasing that people can see the scores prior to voting, but this would be a decent compromise imo
Second that bit abt sorting by New! Also, thats an interesting proposal and could definitely be worked into the upcoming resolution about the voting itself. Its already on the agenda so it can prob be handled without issue
Hey OP, posts relating to that RPG idea need to be clearly marked at the top of the post as being fictional and include a link back to the original post: https://hexbear.net/post/226706
they should also be posted in !ttrpg@hexbear.net so that people can opt-out of viewing them. As a note, if these rpg sessions include content that violates the site's code of conduct, they will still be removed.
It's a fun idea, just need to make sure everyone understands this is a bit. Please reply to confirm you've seen this.
No problem, all future posts will be in ttrpg.
As a note, if these rpg sessions include content that violates the site’s code of conduct, they will still be removed.
Yes, happy to nuke the whole thing if it turns into a shitshow, like I said elsewhere it's meant to have to tone of a "Hexbear Model UN" which will hopefully keep things relatively in bounds.
@spectre not sure if OP is an alt of yours, but tagging you as well.
Party roles/positions
Party roles and positions!? Don't you realize that by leaving people to their own devices, they will naturally sort themselves into appropriate roles and positions? You don't want to represent the people, you want to create a little buerocratic fiefdom that you can rule over!
Who is this @hexbear_partisan who has declared themselves the chairperson of a phantom party of Hexbearites? I say they are a dictator-in-waiting! All who vote in favor of this motion are their cronies, and when it is rejected it will be because of the will of the Hexbear people not to be ruled by such a body!
Is anyone else present who is willing to put in the work to chair a committee? If there is only one person willing to do the work, the choice is not who should do the job, but indeed whether or not the position should exist at all, which is exactly what’s being voted on.
Comrade ssjmarx, I feel the need to clarify that I am only organizing a Committee, but we don't know what the structure of the Party will be yet, and if there is a defined leadership, new elections will be held once the Party is incorporated (assuming that we want any leadership positions that may exist to be elected).
I encourage you to vote to pass this resolution and bring your concerns to the discussion about how the Party should be structured, which is at the top of the agenda under my proposal.
If anyone didn't see my previous post: https://hexbear.net/post/226706
cc:@Grimble
This reminds me of a point Matt made on a cushvlog probably years ago when defining “the grillpill.” It was something along the lines that most of us - because we’re terminally online - are constructing world encompassing models that only make sense to us individually. He used the metaphor of building a ship in a bottle, knowing it would soon flood, rather than going out and perfecting our individual craft of rigging, or sailing, or what have you so that when the flood comes we can collectively pool our abilities to create a ship in the moment when we need it.
That’s a long way to say that this fascinates me that rather than emerging into the world to find where our individual components fit into it we’re instead now collectively building a ship in a bottle. It’s incredible, it’s perverse, I love it and I hate it at the same time. Let’s go team! WOOOOOOOOOOOO
As a firm backer of the Hexbear Party experiment I see your point, but I've decided to approach this from a completely different angle.
The way I see it, this is not meant as an alternative to, much less an example of Real organizing. Obviously every single individual here who's able to should put aside any excuse not to organize and then do it however they can. This should be literally everyone's TOP PRIORITY, including over any of this. I wish I could crawl through every user's screen Ring-style and shout some variation of that into their faces, if they havent already heard it.
This little roleplay is partly for fun, but just as much a user-led experiment to build a hypothetical well-structured "party" and learn from the ensuing mistakes and successes. In turn, we can all use that knowledge and experience to some extent in real life organizing (again, TOP PRIORITY). It's not meant to take much effort, certainly not enough to get in the way of real praxis.
Besides a neat LARP, what I see it as (or hope it turns into) is a small-scale educational model of sorts, with results we can measure, compare, and interpret into something that's still useful when we log off. Thats why I think we should put serious thought into the research especially. By summarizing points made in discussions, creating some interesting scenarios for the "party" to handle, analyzing the results, and learning from any failure, I honestly believe there's merit to doing this.
Another reason this could be useful is that not everyone here is on the same page abt how to successfully organize or how to behave within an org. This may not get everyone to agree, but can at least give a number of users a baseline idea of how things work. I have a feeling the most crucial insights will come from the meta research though.
In an earlier thread I called this "controlled LARPing." That's to say, RPing in a semi-realistic controlled environment instead of IRL, simply to study the outcomes. Better to discover obstacles to unity now in Regime Simulator 2022 than when you're face-to-face with comrades keeping a real org alive.
No one really knows the way forward, and there is no one way forward, so the least we can do while lurking this site is put our heads together to get some idea of what works and what doesnt.
:fidel-salute-big: to you for kicking this off. I'm so excited to see where this goes and I hope we can use this platform to experiment with some interesting organizational methods. I have several ideas but I'll try to hold them in for the proper place and time!
Me too! Its actually exciting to see projects like this emerge from the online left. Even if it's all online, hopefully we can all learn something about organizing in real life and use it to everyone's advantage!
Comrade Raven, thanks for your vote. Hopefully we can work toward a process that will allow us have fruitful discussion on complex topics. Looking forward to your contributions once we get there.
Vote: Don't Pass
- The Hexbear People's Committee will not be formed.
- A second resolution will be drafted based on feedback from the community. If the second draft does not pass, no further action will be taken.
Upvote this comment to vote against the passage of Committee Resolution 001-1.
Comrade hexbear_partisan, I believe this resolution would be greatly improved by establishing an explicit provisional period after which the efficacy and popular support of the Committee can be evaluated. With such addendum indicating a reasonable time period and criteria, I would happily vote in favor of this resolution.
Do you have a suggestion on how to evaluate the efficacy and popular support of the Committee?
I consider it to be successful if a set of Party bylaws can be created, at which time the People's Committee would be dissolved anyway.
Not that anyone asked me, but I have a semi-serious semi-larpy idea inspired by the cybersyn plan to have a "happiness thermostat" in every home.
We could have a post with 10 comment replies, numbered simply 1-10 (least satisfied to most satisfied), which could then be locked. Then our "citizens" could upbear one (honor system) to reflect their general satisfaction. Then we would have something of a general satisfaction distribution.
At any time one our "citizens" could change their "happiness" level so it would be a live thing.
