Ukraine war supporters are in a weird place because they're acting like this is a great conflict between good and evil where everyone should be taking a principled stance against Russia and for Ukraine. If you actually believe that then you should be willing to make considerable sacrifices to support the cause and worry about paying the bill later.
But like it's pretty obvious that isn't what's happening, and many if not most people don't want to freeze to death this winter because of a regional conflict between two countries no one really cares about, especially when it's pretty obvious that the US is jerking everyone's strings to make this happen.
idk, I have no idea what the average person on the street thinks, or even what the average non-brain poisoned politician thinks. My exposure to popular opinion about this war is twitter flag emojis who consider it their holy posting duty to search for every twitter post relating to the war and post "OMG Putler Shill Russia psy op cash kremlin check when?!"
I think there's a racial element to it too. White people were having their country invaded, white people were refugees, white people were taking a gallant stand to fight to the last man in defense of home and hearth. Racists could root for the underdog and feel righteous about caring about refugees while continuing to follow :us-foreign-policy:
…oh god, I know exactly that stupid, stupid feeling of hope you’re describing. The feeling that, even if we lose, there’s still proof that we’re not all sleepwalking zombies doomed to toil even after death.
Could it be that wanting things on the global stage in general is a liberalism? That we need to just read the theory and do the praxis?
idk, I have no idea what the average person on the street thinks
I'll give you the gist: basically most normal people's thoughts on this is "oh Ukraine? I see them on TV all the time, are they doing well? I know we're supposed to support them but I have really been following it"
Ukraine war supporters are in a weird place because they're acting like this is a great conflict between good and evil where everyone should be taking a principled stance against Russia and for Ukraine. If you actually believe that then you should be willing to make considerable sacrifices to support the cause and worry about paying the bill later.
But like it's pretty obvious that isn't what's happening, and many if not most people don't want to freeze to death this winter because of a regional conflict between two countries no one really cares about, especially when it's pretty obvious that the US is jerking everyone's strings to make this happen.
idk, I have no idea what the average person on the street thinks, or even what the average non-brain poisoned politician thinks. My exposure to popular opinion about this war is twitter flag emojis who consider it their holy posting duty to search for every twitter post relating to the war and post "OMG Putler Shill Russia psy op cash kremlin check when?!"
I imagine most people just don't care.
I'm not sure where I was going with this.
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I think there's a racial element to it too. White people were having their country invaded, white people were refugees, white people were taking a gallant stand to fight to the last man in defense of home and hearth. Racists could root for the underdog and feel righteous about caring about refugees while continuing to follow :us-foreign-policy:
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…oh god, I know exactly that stupid, stupid feeling of hope you’re describing. The feeling that, even if we lose, there’s still proof that we’re not all sleepwalking zombies doomed to toil even after death.
Could it be that wanting things on the global stage in general is a liberalism? That we need to just read the theory and do the praxis?
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I'll give you the gist: basically most normal people's thoughts on this is "oh Ukraine? I see them on TV all the time, are they doing well? I know we're supposed to support them but I have really been following it"
the people I talk to in real life still seem broadly in favor of the war despite my efforts to sow discontent by pointing to the cost.
Why is it when I talk about saving lives everyone asks where the money is to come from but that is never asked about taking them