Capitalists when they fucking destroy nature and there's nothing left to pillage:

:shocked-pikachu:.

There's a very strong possibility at least some of the snow crab population went further north + west into colder parts of the bering sea owned by Russia / Canada.

  • BoldTake [e/em/eir, comrade/them]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    That's wonderful to hear you are against trawling and eating crabs. How do you feel those beliefs extend to the fishing industry as a whole?

    • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago
      1. I don't eat fish or any seafood shit tastes like ass

      2. killing a fish still isn't murder

      3. hate to break it to you but the oceans are gonna die anyway and then we're all dead too

      • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        It seems like you're fine with the industry you just personally don't like seafood. Fish are more advanced than humans give any credit for and even fishing where you throw them back, you're inflicting trauma on a creature and they do remember the pain and suffering of the hook.

        Why is it not murder? The fish may not be able to conceptualize their own death and feel anything particular about it, but it is still the snuffing of a life. Animal liberation is an integral part of not only mitigating climate disaster, but something we should be advocating for as a species that is able to conceptualize death and empathize with other creatures.

        Just because something bad is happening doesn't mean that we should simply throw our hands up and stop trying to advocate for a better world.

        • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Why is it not murder?

          because murder is a word specifically used to refer to the killing of persons, not the killing of whatever random shit, and it is generally considered insulting to hold up the death of a bug and the death of a person as equitable

          you wanna call killing an elephant murder? okay sure

          you wanna call killing a dolphin murder? fine I agree

          call killing a fly murder? there's literally something wrong with you if you think it's the same fucking thing

          • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            What is that line that specifically demands that it is not murder? Is it the fact that an insect is an arthropod and thus much more distantly related to us than an elephant or dolphin which are closely related? There is more depth to the animal world than we want to ever admit because it makes us ask uncomfortable questions about ourselves. We can notice a difference in personalities in spiders and we've noted that jumping spiders can dream. We humans demand that the natural world bend to our will with the consequences be damned and without a shred of respect to all of the other creatures and living beings that are fundamental to even creating a habitable space for us. Things die, the natural world is cruel but we should try to minimize our impact on the amount of cruelty in the world.

            There is no clean line. What's the difference between a cat and a pig beyond culture stating one is food and the other is a pet? Why does there need to be a specific level of sentience for a life to be valued? When we're talking about the systemic destruction of an entire species due to human avarice, is that not murder as well? Is that not actually worse than murder? We're destroying countless lives and destroying the planet but when someone tells you that maybe killing animals for food is just not sustainable and that we should value the lives of the creatures around us, people get absurdly worked up and aggressive defending their right to destroy the lives of countless creatures across the world.

            • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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              2 years ago

              Murder,

              noun the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

              Why does there need to be a specific level of sentience for a life to be valued?

              plants and fungi can communicate but strangely that's never a consideration, obviously the line is drawn somewhere, and you're committing the same neuro-chauvinism as I but with a different cut-off for "the value of life"

              • charly4994 [she/her, comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                You responded so fast that you clearly didn't even read. You're quoting the fucking dictionary at me, are you not ashamed?

                Languages evolve, the usage of words can shift and rules can be intentionally broken to make a point. You're clearly in bad faith and I'm done.

                • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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                  2 years ago

                  I think if you're "evolving language" to the point that you are arguing a pest control sweep for roaches is the same as the holocaust you're "evolving language" in a pretty shitty way

                  I’m done.

                  fine ditto

                  • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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                    2 years ago

                    I think if you’re “evolving language” to the point that you are arguing a pest control sweep for roaches is the same as the holocaust you’re “evolving language” in a pretty shitty way

                    where did anyone say that? last i checked people were complaining that crabs were being fished out of existence. bit of a reach there

                    • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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                      2 years ago

                      where did anyone say that? last i checked people were complaining that crabs were being fished out of existence. bit of a reach there

                      some jackasses doing a bad parody of vegans are throwing around words like "murder"

                      • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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                        2 years ago

                        They said "crab murder"

                        They're literally differentiating it from normal murder because it does not normally fall under the umbrella of murder.

                        Just like how there's a difference between "porn" and "food porn".