Let’s not LARP in a post-modern way with the religious customs of people, treating their worldviews as a consumerist identity. Find something you truly believe in and dedicate yourself to it, take leaps of faith, find a congregation (god). Don’t just drape yourself in the trappings and aesthetics of others disingenuously
Hellenism and other mythologies are basically dead as you say, but they all have neo-pagan modern day variations that are essentially LARP and have no connection to the original belief systems. The comments above seem to be suggesting we indulge in this purposefully.
These neo-pagans are trying to fill an empty void where community and faith is supposed to go, but is lacking in our modern world. It’s not really their fault but it’s extremely hollow and false, a very “shopping for ideology” identity-confused modern phenomena.
I can make a serious earnest response in a joke thread, you don’t need to act all up in arms about it. Just chill
The cool thing about pre-Christian Norse religion is that they wrote almost nothing down. So it's a completely choose your own adventure religion with source books written by Christians hundreds of years after anyone practiced it.
it’s a completely choose your own adventure religion
The 'chose your own adventure part' is funny, since I think a lot of the little we know of their lore (likely deformed over centuries) ended up being integrated through Tolkien's work as a big part of the basis of most RPGs - the heroic fantasy ones.
Mormon Kruschev is David O. McKay. The first prophet with no beard, who presided over the standardization of the church & the purging of the last remnants of polygamy and old school Mormon firebrands. He turned the weird ass cult into a more mainstream Protestant corporation and basically threw out most of what the old prophets said about race, Catholics, polygamy, free masonry, native Americans, etc
No, After Joseph Smith got got, Brigham Young took them out west to Utah (1847-1877.)
IIRC Mckay comes much later in like the 1940's or 1950's.
There was a schism though; there's been a bunch of schisms in Mormonism because for a big chunk of its history anyone could hypothetically have been a prophet, and especially since a few times changes were made to the theology specifically to get the US government off their back.
My hometown's denominations all split in half after the federal government ordered them to desegregate lol. The more racist whites formed churches where they let snakes bite them on the face.
sometimes scholars throw around the term 'civil/c religion' when talking about this because the differences could be so substantial and ingrained in communities as small as the specific city-states. its almost incorrect to claim there's such a thing as 'hellenic religion' more than a collective attitude between certain groups of people in the mediterrean
the big example is Rome, which (often rather ignored by mainstream discourse) was a deeply religious city-and-state whose very administration & political traditions were wrapped in their religious activity. civic-religion in that it was specific to Rome the City, but to be pedantic its later civil-religion when it starts to concern much more territory than the city itself.
speaking of abrahamic religion there are a few parallels in the transition of civil-religious tradition to monotheism, particularly in Rome---but the theological nature of the abrahamic traditions differs quite substantially because they're not based on oral traditions but a written set of texts & the discourse around/interpretation thereof.
and also just because hellenistic 'polytheism' could act inclusively doesn't preclude its religions and followers from being very intolerant. For every Zeus-Ammon & Mithras you get an Elagabal, a Maccabees, a Carthage (i.e. times hellenistic folk did religious intolerance)
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Leftists really should be more Hellenistic
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Let’s not LARP in a post-modern way with the religious customs of people, treating their worldviews as a consumerist identity. Find something you truly believe in and dedicate yourself to it, take leaps of faith, find a congregation (god). Don’t just drape yourself in the trappings and aesthetics of others disingenuously
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Hellenism and other mythologies are basically dead as you say, but they all have neo-pagan modern day variations that are essentially LARP and have no connection to the original belief systems. The comments above seem to be suggesting we indulge in this purposefully.
These neo-pagans are trying to fill an empty void where community and faith is supposed to go, but is lacking in our modern world. It’s not really their fault but it’s extremely hollow and false, a very “shopping for ideology” identity-confused modern phenomena.
I can make a serious earnest response in a joke thread, you don’t need to act all up in arms about it. Just chill
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You are reading the aggression into it and reacting with hostility and debatebro language where there was no need to
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Insufferable
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The cool thing about pre-Christian Norse religion is that they wrote almost nothing down. So it's a completely choose your own adventure religion with source books written by Christians hundreds of years after anyone practiced it.
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The 'chose your own adventure part' is funny, since I think a lot of the little we know of their lore (likely deformed over centuries) ended up being integrated through Tolkien's work as a big part of the basis of most RPGs - the heroic fantasy ones.
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Mormon Kruschev is David O. McKay. The first prophet with no beard, who presided over the standardization of the church & the purging of the last remnants of polygamy and old school Mormon firebrands. He turned the weird ass cult into a more mainstream Protestant corporation and basically threw out most of what the old prophets said about race, Catholics, polygamy, free masonry, native Americans, etc
Christian Lenin is obviously Luther
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No, After Joseph Smith got got, Brigham Young took them out west to Utah (1847-1877.)
IIRC Mckay comes much later in like the 1940's or 1950's.
There was a schism though; there's been a bunch of schisms in Mormonism because for a big chunk of its history anyone could hypothetically have been a prophet, and especially since a few times changes were made to the theology specifically to get the US government off their back.
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Glad to help!
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My hometown's denominations all split in half after the federal government ordered them to desegregate lol. The more racist whites formed churches where they let snakes bite them on the face.
squints so yeah basically your god is the local franchise of Athena
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sometimes scholars throw around the term 'civil/c religion' when talking about this because the differences could be so substantial and ingrained in communities as small as the specific city-states. its almost incorrect to claim there's such a thing as 'hellenic religion' more than a collective attitude between certain groups of people in the mediterrean
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the big example is Rome, which (often rather ignored by mainstream discourse) was a deeply religious city-and-state whose very administration & political traditions were wrapped in their religious activity. civic-religion in that it was specific to Rome the City, but to be pedantic its later civil-religion when it starts to concern much more territory than the city itself.
speaking of abrahamic religion there are a few parallels in the transition of civil-religious tradition to monotheism, particularly in Rome---but the theological nature of the abrahamic traditions differs quite substantially because they're not based on oral traditions but a written set of texts & the discourse around/interpretation thereof.
and also just because hellenistic 'polytheism' could act inclusively doesn't preclude its religions and followers from being very intolerant. For every Zeus-Ammon & Mithras you get an Elagabal, a Maccabees, a Carthage (i.e. times hellenistic folk did religious intolerance)
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