I never said that I know that he's ML. I said that he's read Lenin. I said that he's read Marx and that he applies his understanding of Marx to his daily news coverage and analysis of current events. I said that he rarely uses the phrase "democratic socialist" and that he most of time refers to himself as just "socialist". You found one time where he used the phrase democratic socialist and that was when he was trying to appeal to libs.
I don't try to label him as a certain sect because I'm not parasocial. I call him a socialist because he understands Marx, promotes Marx on his stream frequently, and calls himself a socialist.
You’re so weird lmao. Even after I literally showed a video with him saying he’s DemSoc you still deny it. You can be a DemSoc who’s read Marx and Lenin. That’s Hasan. If you have proof he’s lying then go ahead. But otherwise you’re just wasting time. He’s a socialist. He may be a Marxist (given certain definitions of Marxism). But he has shown no beliefs in a vanguard party or a revolution in the West or anything that would even imply he’s a Leninist. But he constantly focuses on electoralism as a strategy for achieving change. You can keep arguing with yourself that he’s just hiding his power levels or whatever.
There's a segment from his stream yesterday where he makes fun of Democratic Socialists for being radical liberals.
He was doing coverage of the Nancy Pelosi husband attack and he was making fun of the attacker. One of his chatters gets upset that Hasan is making fun of the attacker, so he calls out the chatter. He says the chatter is trying to making the conversation about themselves and "doing dumb radlib bullshit".
Two minutes later at 03:32:00, Hasan is talking about the same chatter still, he says his stream "is not like a DSA meeting where we're snapping (our fingers) and doing points of conversation and that kind of shit". He then says that people are watching the stream to listen to him talk and that the chatter is ruining the content for everyone.
If he were a Democratic Socialist, why would he negatively associate the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) with radical liberalism?
This isn't my fight, but this whole thing irks me because you are trying to apply ideological and party consistency to a man who claims no specific ideology and (more importantly) claims no party. Attempting to specifically pin down an individual, especially an American, and claim that he adheres to a specific ideology, is a game of shifting goalposts. There is no party line to apply ideological consistency of the mass line or vanguard, therefore he can wax and wane as he wants. Some days he plays the demsoc, others the ML. It is irrelevant, we are all liberals without a party.
Hasan is 'fine'. Under different material conditions, he may even be 'good'. He's the pretty boy streamer of the vague left, and at least shows to have a basic grasp of leftist theory.
Except nothing that he describes of his ideology after that is unique to democratic socialism, at least in terms of party structure, or belief in specific developmental ideology. He simply describes an end to exploitation, which can apply to any amount of socialism, utopian or otherwise. Unless there are also clips where he says that voting is the most important expression of democratic will, or that labor is not the proper organizational method of the left.
The problem is that he can say he's a democratic socialist, but there is a party line that historically makes one a democratic socialist that he (and most modern-day self-proclaimed democratic socialists) does not adhere to. Hell, even professing a belief in Marx renders one a non-democratic socialist historically.
It countinues to be a part of the muddling of ideologies that occurs in the American left. Which is fine dialectically, and I hope a more unifying ideology spawns from it, but it creates an impossibility to speak clearly and track distinct historical tendencies within the left if we cleave to it religiously. Is this a semantic argument? Yes. But it is also a material historical argument that tracks the development of ideology.
That is a recent phenomena, in the last 6 years or so. A by-product of the large tent philosophy of the Bernie social democrat movement. During the development of the ideology (particularly within the DSA itself) that was not the case.
I never said that I know that he's ML. I said that he's read Lenin. I said that he's read Marx and that he applies his understanding of Marx to his daily news coverage and analysis of current events. I said that he rarely uses the phrase "democratic socialist" and that he most of time refers to himself as just "socialist". You found one time where he used the phrase democratic socialist and that was when he was trying to appeal to libs.
I don't try to label him as a certain sect because I'm not parasocial. I call him a socialist because he understands Marx, promotes Marx on his stream frequently, and calls himself a socialist.
You’re so weird lmao. Even after I literally showed a video with him saying he’s DemSoc you still deny it. You can be a DemSoc who’s read Marx and Lenin. That’s Hasan. If you have proof he’s lying then go ahead. But otherwise you’re just wasting time. He’s a socialist. He may be a Marxist (given certain definitions of Marxism). But he has shown no beliefs in a vanguard party or a revolution in the West or anything that would even imply he’s a Leninist. But he constantly focuses on electoralism as a strategy for achieving change. You can keep arguing with yourself that he’s just hiding his power levels or whatever.
There's a segment from his stream yesterday where he makes fun of Democratic Socialists for being radical liberals.
He was doing coverage of the Nancy Pelosi husband attack and he was making fun of the attacker. One of his chatters gets upset that Hasan is making fun of the attacker, so he calls out the chatter. He says the chatter is trying to making the conversation about themselves and "doing dumb radlib bullshit".
Two minutes later at 03:32:00, Hasan is talking about the same chatter still, he says his stream "is not like a DSA meeting where we're snapping (our fingers) and doing points of conversation and that kind of shit". He then says that people are watching the stream to listen to him talk and that the chatter is ruining the content for everyone.
If he were a Democratic Socialist, why would he negatively associate the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) with radical liberalism?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1636939531?t=03h29m46s
Leftist thinks other leftists are radlibs. Wow. This has never happened before.
Cmon. The only thing we know for certain, based on him literally saying it, is that he’s a Democratic Socialist. Everything else is projection.
He’s never said he’s a member of the DSA. I never said he’s a member of the DSA. You’re fighting invisible enemies.
I claimed he’s DemSoc based on proof. I don’t know why that has you so fucking riled up.
This isn't my fight, but this whole thing irks me because you are trying to apply ideological and party consistency to a man who claims no specific ideology and (more importantly) claims no party. Attempting to specifically pin down an individual, especially an American, and claim that he adheres to a specific ideology, is a game of shifting goalposts. There is no party line to apply ideological consistency of the mass line or vanguard, therefore he can wax and wane as he wants. Some days he plays the demsoc, others the ML. It is irrelevant, we are all liberals without a party.
Hasan is 'fine'. Under different material conditions, he may even be 'good'. He's the pretty boy streamer of the vague left, and at least shows to have a basic grasp of leftist theory.
He literally says he’s a DemSoc. It’s at the 33 minute mark.
Except nothing that he describes of his ideology after that is unique to democratic socialism, at least in terms of party structure, or belief in specific developmental ideology. He simply describes an end to exploitation, which can apply to any amount of socialism, utopian or otherwise. Unless there are also clips where he says that voting is the most important expression of democratic will, or that labor is not the proper organizational method of the left.
The problem is that he can say he's a democratic socialist, but there is a party line that historically makes one a democratic socialist that he (and most modern-day self-proclaimed democratic socialists) does not adhere to. Hell, even professing a belief in Marx renders one a non-democratic socialist historically.
It countinues to be a part of the muddling of ideologies that occurs in the American left. Which is fine dialectically, and I hope a more unifying ideology spawns from it, but it creates an impossibility to speak clearly and track distinct historical tendencies within the left if we cleave to it religiously. Is this a semantic argument? Yes. But it is also a material historical argument that tracks the development of ideology.
You can be a Democratic Socialist who agree with Marx’s theory of value and Lenin’s theory of imperialism.
That is a recent phenomena, in the last 6 years or so. A by-product of the large tent philosophy of the Bernie social democrat movement. During the development of the ideology (particularly within the DSA itself) that was not the case.
And here he is today calling himself a socialist
Uh, yeah, he’s a socialist? When did I say he’s not? That would be absurd.
He’s a socialist who uses Marxian analysis to understand capitalism and believes in a Democratic Socialist transition to socialism.