A good DM will either scale up the difficulty of encounters to compensate for the min-maxers, or know the weaknesses of min-maxed PCs and hit them there (a min-maxed DPS PC often is very vulnerable to will saves, or to various forms of crowd control, or flying enemies, or something)
True, it’s going to be inherently very difficult to all have fun playing the same table when all the players are essentially playing different games. Some of the most fun D&D I have played with a group full of min-maxers and extremely difficult overtuned encounters. I’ve also had a lot of fun playing RP heavy, less combat focused campaigns. It’s difficult to mix, all the players kind of need to be on the same page/skill level
I mean, there are literally spells for each of those things. I forget the name, but some dude has a detailed guide to how to make a wizard perform literally any party role - often better than the actual other classes can do.
The classic one was "The Batman Wizard", but that was 3.5 era and the conclusion that you always end up coming to is "the wizard can do anything the rest of the party can - for about five minutes per day."
I want to tag myself, but i'm everybody in that picture besides Gygax and the DM
I'm definitely the DM when running Fallout 2d20
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I only got back in the hobby a year ago, so i'm even that one.
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A good DM will either scale up the difficulty of encounters to compensate for the min-maxers, or know the weaknesses of min-maxed PCs and hit them there (a min-maxed DPS PC often is very vulnerable to will saves, or to various forms of crowd control, or flying enemies, or something)
Frankly a good DM will take the min-maxer aside and ask them to tone it down because you want to have everybody operating at about the same level.
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True, it’s going to be inherently very difficult to all have fun playing the same table when all the players are essentially playing different games. Some of the most fun D&D I have played with a group full of min-maxers and extremely difficult overtuned encounters. I’ve also had a lot of fun playing RP heavy, less combat focused campaigns. It’s difficult to mix, all the players kind of need to be on the same page/skill level
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Rogue players when it comes to anything but auto attacking: :walter-shock:
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That’s when I just make as much noise as possible
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Tactical fireball, simple as
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I said tactical, 5 people mangled
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I mean, there are literally spells for each of those things. I forget the name, but some dude has a detailed guide to how to make a wizard perform literally any party role - often better than the actual other classes can do.
The classic one was "The Batman Wizard", but that was 3.5 era and the conclusion that you always end up coming to is "the wizard can do anything the rest of the party can - for about five minutes per day."
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