look i know this might be reigniting a struggle session but there's nowhere else on the internet where i can find the kind of nerd who will read something with that title. this isn't a response to anyone. i was busy at the time and didn't read very many of the comments. hopefully it didn't get too acrimonious. this is just my reaction to the kim jong un quote,

Art not related with the revolution, art for its own sake, is useless.

because the first thing i think of is the opening line of an old tom robbins essay, what is art,

The most useful thing about art is its uselessness.

kim's aphorisms all end with an implied "no i will not explain," which is frustrating because i get hung up on the word "useless" and what he really means by that. uselessness in the context of art isn't necessarily a bad thing.

robbins continues:

Have I lost you already? Wait a minute. My point is that there's a place---an important place, as a matter of fact---in our all too pragmatic world for the impractical and the non-essential... art has no greater enemy than those artists who permit their art to become subserviant to socio-political issues or ideals. In so doing, they not only violate art's fundamental sovereignty, they surrender that independence from function that made it art (as opposed to craft or propaganda) in the first place.

so for robbins art is in fact defined by its uselessness, art is purely about evoking aesthetic sensations that "somehow manage to enrich our lives." art that communicates a political message or advocates social improvement he decries as propaganda and "Calvinistic."

but soon he finds himself forced to admit,

Obviously, art doesn't exist in a vacuum. Like a coral animal, it is embedded in a vast undulating reef of economics, politics, religion, entertainment, and social movements of one kind or another. Yet,

yet! such casual dismissal of the very core issue! the fact that art exists embedded within this reef is a trivial concern to robbins. and i think it's worth exploring the different contexts in which these quotes were written and in which these writers live.

kim is writing within and for a society that has been forced to maintain a state of perpetual revolutionary military readiness against an invading imperialist army for over 70 years. whether or not you agree with that statement, that's the ideology they propagate. and remember, just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's not true.

robbins is a liberal american selling books to other liberal americans, and as such must tacitly or explicitly endorse the prevailing american liberal ideology and capitalist realism even as he positions himself and his writing as anti-establishment, even as he advocates rejecting the puritanical, the calvinistic, the protestant work ethic and embracing a uselessness of art that allows us to be

...lifted out of mundane context and granted a temporary visa to a less ordinary dimension, where our existential burden is momentarily lifted and we surf a wave of pure perceptual pleasure.

art for robbins is sensual escapism, a way to transcend the great barrier reef of wordly concerns. and again he emphasizes that aesthetic impact (which doesn't mean "beauty") must be the primary purpose for something to be called art.

There's no denying that [Guernica] was a direct result of Picasso's revulsion at the unprecedented saturation bombing of a civilian village (a common military tactic nowadays, sad to say), or that the painting was intended as an impassioned protest against war in general. However, had Picasso allowed his stirred feelings to override his radical painterly principles, had he produced a traditional, literal, unimaginative rendering of military atrocity instead of this wild, virtuoso outpouring of Cubistic invention, you can bet the ranch dressing that now, 70 years later, museum visitors would not be standing before it in awe.

certainly the style affects our aesthetic reaction to something, but plenty of people enjoy art in several different styles, including older, traditional, literal, "unimaginative" styles of art that nonetheless continue to populate museums around the world. it's not like i see that painting depicting the burning of the library of alexandria and think "ho hum it would be art if it were just cubist."

Guernica succeeds politically because it first and foremost succeeds aesthetically. The memories it may once have invokved of Spanish fascism have long ago been eclipsed by the explosive, exhilirating force with which it deconstructs form and distributes it about the picture plane. Despite its underpinnings of horror and outrage, it is primarily a visual experience.

here i think robbins is telling on himself, especially in the way that he quickly brushes past any explanation about just how guernica succeeds politically or what that means. clearly picasso failed to end war or even saturation bombing of civilian targets, nor did his painting lead to the overthrow of the spanish fascists. and yet robbins characterizes it as an unqualified political success!

But in the works of Renoir, Calder, and Warhol, even more than in Guernica, the political implications are subtle, ambiguous, and, most important, subordinate to the aesthetic. That's what makes them art.

And art, like love, is what makes the world forever fresh and new. However, this revitalization cannot be said to be art's puporse. Art revitalizes precisely because it has no purpose. Except to engage our senses. The emancipating jounce of inspired uselessness.

robbins asserts useless art as emancipatory. let's just make the most aesthetically impactful artwork as devoid of political message as possible, and for robbins emancipation will necessarily follow. because by emancipation he doesn't mean ending actual systems of oppression. rather, he means an escape from "politics" through the medium of sensory input.

so overall it would seem robbins would agree with kim, that art not related with the revolution, art for its own sake, is useless. he would simply assert that by definition juche propaganda isn't art, because its primary purpose is to convey a socio-political message, one that inspires the people to continue their struggle against imperialism.

and perhaps kim would express hope that someday koreans can engage in useless art, when that struggle is over.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Art being inherently political should be a completely cold take. The real big brain take is understanding that science is inherently political too.

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  • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    The human condition exists as part of and separate from the revolution. Much art is focused on the human condition. To imply that anything other than purely revolutionary art is useless is absurd, unless your basis of usefulness is utility in aiding the revolution

    I am quite drunk btw, take this for a grain of salt

  • ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]
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    2 years ago

    Great post :gold-communist:

    My only contribution is that the ideology of "art for art's sake" is bourgeois to the core and also basically the aesthetic version of "don't politicize such and such issue". It's basically anti-politics and probably the most pernicious form of art ideology.

    The "useless" nature of art can be good, since it resists capital and allows us to reflect on our existence. Useless, however, is not purposelessness

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      The notion that TRVE ART only exists for art's sake also falls flat as soon as such art is elevated to become a class signifier. Appreciating inaccessible art that does not give a fuck about audience expectations requires that the appreciator is artistically educated, the consumption of such art can therefore be used as a means to distinguish oneself from the uncouth plebeians that "just don't get it."

  • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Wow. Art is revolutionary because it is useless is a fantastic insight. I mean, I think so. I think both “useless art” and “propaganda art” (any art that tries to send a message) are both important and worthy of being art. We can have both, socialist realism and post-modernism, okay?

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Oh yeah, playing music with other people is the closest I've ever got to what I imagine some might describe as a "religious experience" if that makes sense.

        Sometimes there is a real loss of self, where you're literally just vibrating on some unexplained frequency and the band becomes one single entity rather than a collection of individuals.

      • LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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        2 years ago

        granted a temporary visa to a less ordinary dimension, where our existential burden is momentarily lifted and we surf a wave of pure perceptual pleasure.

        there’s a form of freedom found in bitchin riffs and getting fucked up with the boys.

        Both, Robbins and you, OP, are pure poets. Different types of poets, sure, but poets nevertheless.

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      when people talk about "post modern art" my mind goes to a canvas with random squares and circles, but apparently art of big breasted cartoon women and cozy winter landscapes are also considered "post modern"

  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Look, I just wanna make some bitchin riffs and get fucked up with the boys okay?

    Nerds.

  • fifthedition [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Look, to Tim Robbins art is all about feelings. He and his ilk just really like feeling feelings. It's the trait of Openness. What he wants is to feel something different from what he usually feels. That's why he considers Guernica a great success - it made him feel something.

    Being high in Openness means a constant search for novelty. This cohort of our society is easily bored and always wants something new. Art gives it to them. There's really nothing else to it than that.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I think the dream is that art can explore human possibility unfettered by the limitations of class society. But from within class society, all art is expressed in relation to that reality. Great post.

  • MoneyIsTheDeepState [comrade/them,he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Fantastic post

    Treat defenders will stay uncomfortable with it for however long it takes them to realize that it isn't even attacking their treats